50NL JJ facing 4bet preflop

[Miyogi]

Villian is unknown at this point.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $49.00
BB: $92.15
UTG: $81.40
MP: $80.95
Miyogi (CO): $52.50
BTN: $56.05

Preflop: Miyogi is dealt J J (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="red">Miyogi raises to $6.00</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $5.50, <font color="red">MP raises to $14.00,</font> <font color="red">Miyogi?</font>

Pot Size: $26.25

[Lego05]

Fold. I probably also fold QQ and AK.

[Vince.]

Against an unknown I'd fold here, I don't think you're deep enough to call and try and hit a set. If you call and the board comes all unders it might be really tough to get away from it.

[Miyogi]

Do you fold these if the BB didn't call?

[holdme]

i would call without proper implied odds out of spite for making such a retarded raise

[Miyogi]

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i would call without proper implied odds out of spite for making such a retarded raise

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Which is what I did then i folded to a 2/3 pot bet with an overpair on the flop making me feel all spewy.

[Jer672]

JJ i almost always instafold to a 4b pre. QQ and AK are tougher calls and are more villain dependent.

calling and then folding to a flop bet with no overcards is kinda spewy as you said =) (though I am definitely guilty of it sometimes =/ )

[Lego05]

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Do you fold these if the BB didn't call?

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Yes...I actually didn't even notice that. If anything all that does is make it more likely for MP to reraise AK...it also makes it more likely for him to raise everything else too though. Edit: It also makes his raise more "retarded" as was pointed out above me because he should have made it bigger.

Basically at these stakes a 4bet generally means KK, AA. Exceptions would be if it's a good player he may in some situations be 4betting QQ and AK (I think even good players don't 4bet looser than this at these stakes unless a shortie is somehow involved and they're making an isolation raise. Another exception is if you have a read on the guy and he's a spewtard.