2/4 6-max I am a calling station

[Ghazban]

I don't have any reads on button; I've only been here an orbit and I don't recognize the screenname. It looks like everything missed but it doesn't take much to beat me on the end.

Folds to button ($559) who raises to $14, SB folds, I ($400) call in BB with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($30)

I check, he pots, I call

Turn: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($90)

I check, he bets $68, I call

River 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($226)

I check he bets $156, I call

Comments welcome on all streets.

[sc000t]

Lead the turn if your just planning on a c/c.

I think I call on this river as played, you're hand looks very weak and I'd try bluffing here if I was villian looking at your line and this board.

[beset]

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Lead the turn if your just planning on a c/c.

I think I call on this river as played, you're hand looks very weak and I'd try bluffing here if I was villian looking at your line and this board.

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After flop/turn combo river call should be close to mandatory against an unknown i concur.

[Ghazban]

It seems like if I c/r at any point I'm turning my hand into a bluff, no? I pick up the ass end of a straight on the turn so that's a small jump in equity but it seems when I c/r and get called on the turn, I'm in pretty terrible shape. If I c/r the flop, he gets to jam all his better hands and his mediocre draws and I have to fold a hand that could be in great shape. I've seen people get pretty aggro with naked flush draws and mediocre wraps in these spots (blind vs. button) often as well as the occasional holdem player thinking AK22 is the nuts here that I don't want to inflate the pot and then fold.

[wazz]

I don't hate your line but it's really dangerous. You can c/r the turn, it's not really true that any hand that gives you action has you beat as there are a lot of drawing hands that have to call a c/r, and you'd only c/r with the intention of calling a shove. The problems I have with the hand: OOP against an unknown, with a hand a little too weak to defend with; a good villain will be value-betting KQ on the river here, and you've paid him off all the way when all you needed to do was fold.

[CrushinFelt]

This line looks standard for a hand like this. You're behind KQxx, KKxx, QQxx, but you're ahead of AAJT, KJT9, etc. It's not impossible he backdoored a straight because of his weird turn bet. I call this most of the time because your hand looks like a scared KQ/K7/76 or a missed draw. The reason I like his bet a lot if he does have a missed draw is because your range is really, really weak unless you backdoored a straight yourself.

[oneouterson]

I've seen people get pretty aggro with naked flush draws and mediocre wraps in these spots (blind vs. button) often as well as the occasional holdem player thinking AK22 is the nuts here that I don't want to inflate the pot and then fold.

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Thats probably why you should get just as aggresive with your two pair hands in this situation.

[beset]

I think calling down and check/raising 3/4 pot or so on the turn and calling a shove are pretty close. C/r'ing less then the pot on the turn makes it hard for him to fold bare aces+redraws (weak or otherwise) or a K with marginal redraws or even a nice-looking but weak combo draw of some kind. You are never going to have a big edge here but if people are over-playing draws on the turn you can build a pot there. I guess if I had a momentary seizure and called preflop I'd get aggressive somewhere because this is not a WA/WB spot and I can think of a pretty broad range of hands that gives action postflop where you are running a slight favorite after the turn comes.

foldpffoldpffoldpffoldpffoldpffoldpffoldpffoldpffo ldpf. This hand is quintessential OOP garbage. I know people don't post hands to hear this but I think it bears repeating that the chorus of yeah there is no way good way to play this hand in this spot is just another way of saying foldpf.

[RoundTower]

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It seems like if I c/r at any point I'm turning my hand into a bluff, no?

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well no, because he can call with a draw. It's unlikely he is firing 3 barrels with absolutely nothing so if you are going to call him down like this you are giving him credit for having a draw quite a lot of the time.

I hardly ever fold this preflop here, I think I would usually cr the flop but you could do a lot of different things.

[piiop]

I'd play it like that some of the time and some of the time I would donk the turn and some of the time I would check-raise the turn. Since you don't have a read, I think taking the passive line is fine.