hand against sethypooh

raise4value · #1 07-14-2007, 11:10 PM

I played the first time with him, but know that he is a winner and a very good player
He sat down a few hands before this and i don't know how he thinks i play, i have been very active on this table though, running smthng like 27/22

Comments on all streets appreciated i have a lot to learn. flop c/r to fold out six outers?
i am very sure that betting this particular river would be bad, he will call with almost anything that beats me and there are not much better hands he could fold right? but what if he bets? while the hand occured i was planning to c/f that particular river. i have pretty SD bound stats btw, i don't know if that matters or if he knows that

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (5.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 5.16 BB

sorry about my grammar, english is my third language [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Scary_Tiger · #2 07-14-2007, 11:13 PM

b/f is better IMO.

raise4value · #3 07-14-2007, 11:17 PM

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b/f is better IMO.

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i think you are talking about the river?
would he fold hands like 88-JJ? or will he call me with AJ or AT? a little explanation would really help me :-)

Scary_Tiger · #4 07-14-2007, 11:18 PM

I'm not expecting him to fold pairs, I'm expecting him to call AJ-AT.

If he has AQ it's a rough deal but he usually has AQ/AJ/AT/A9 here.

raise4value · #5 07-14-2007, 11:22 PM

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I'm not expecting him to fold pairs, I'm expecting him to call AJ-AT.

If he has AQ it's a rough deal but he usually has AQ/AJ/AT/A9 here.

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do you think that he doesnt have a pair because he didnt bet the turn?

Scary_Tiger · #6 07-14-2007, 11:22 PM

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I'm not expecting him to fold pairs, I'm expecting him to call AJ-AT.

If he has AQ it's a rough deal but he usually has AQ/AJ/AT/A9 here.

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do you think that he doesnt have a pair because he didnt bet the turn?

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Yes.

ILOVEPOKER929 · #7 07-14-2007, 11:22 PM

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I'm not expecting him to fold pairs, I'm expecting him to call AJ-AT.

If he has AQ it's a rough deal but he usually has AQ/AJ/AT/A9 here.

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Many tags will never have ATo here. Many will never even have AJo here. This makes the river an easy check/fold against the typical tag at these levels IMO.

sethypooh21 · #8 07-14-2007, 11:44 PM

A guy playing 27/22 (which is slightly laggier than my usual play, but whatevers) can have AJ/AT/A9s here, but the Q is a bad card to value bet, because villain (me) is never folding a pair, and either I had you beat already with something like 88 (somewhat doubtful after turn check behind), or the Q hit a pretty big part of my range - AQ/QJs type hands...(though I probably would have bet QJs once more on the turn.)

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG folds, MP calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP calls.

Turn: (5.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: (5.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.16 BB

NinaWilliams · #9 07-14-2007, 11:49 PM

I bet this vs most TAGs for reasons that scary_tiger mentioned. IIRC sethy has a high WTSD too. Not sure how much this factors into the decision.

ILOVEPOKER929 · #10 07-14-2007, 11:20 PM

You played the hand well every street. River is a check/fold vs a typical tag IMO.

I would not check/raise the flop in this spot as your hand sux too much to worry about 6 outers. Check/raising this flop vs a tag only becomes a viable line if you can get some better hands to fold. Getting better hands to fold along with the ancillary benefit of folding 6 outers would make this play worth it. Since getting a better hand to fold will never happen online check/raising the flop is just not a good strategy here.