my first poker books

[magx]

Ok I play poker for few years now but allways as an amateur. I decided I want to change to more professional way So I want to read some books(start my own poker libarey hehe). Here is what i thought about start with(in that oreder) :
1. Getting Started in Holdem, by Ed Miller
2.Little Black Book, by Gordon
3. Little Green Book, by Gordon
4. Texas Holdem Odds and Probabilities, by Hilger
5. Killer Poker, by Vorhaus
6. Killer Poker No Limit, by Vorhaus
7. Little Blue Book, by Gordon
8. Killer Poker by the Numbers, by Guerrera
9. Why you lose at poker, by Fox and Harper
and only then move to the more advanced books like TOP, HOH and so on ,,,

what do you think about my first books and the order im about to read them ?
I play mostly no limit holdem sng's.

thx

[phydaux]

1. Getting Started in Holdem, by Ed Miller Good choice. Excellent first book.
2.Little Black Book, by Gordon Skip this one. Worthless.
3. Little Green Book, by Gordon Good choice for a second book.
4. Texas Holdem Odds and Probabilities, by Hilger Put this one away for later. MUCH later.
5. Killer Poker, by Vorhaus Skip this one. It's on limit hold'em.
6. Killer Poker No Limit, by Vorhaus This is for no limit cash games. You can skip it.
7. Little Blue Book, by Gordon OK book. Green was better.
8. Killer Poker by the Numbers, by Guerrera I HATED this book. Hilger's is better, but you don't need to read either of them at this point in your development.
9. Why you lose at poker, by Fox and Harper An OK book, but not specificly a hold'em SnG book. You can skip it if you like.

The books that are missing from your list are Kill Phil, and Harrington on Hold'em vol I-III.

In fact, if the only poker books you ever read were Getting Started in Hold'em, Little Green Book, Kill Phil and the Harringtons, you would start crushing the on-line SnGs before too long.

[deacsoft]

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The books that are missing from your list are Kill Phil...

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Because I like you I won't do it, but I was just going to say, "anyone who suggests Kill Phil will be banned for 3 days".

[magx]

If a book is about no limit cash games i think its ok cuz i play some of theise type of game too and i think most things you can use on sng too.
anyway why dont you like killer poker ? heared a greate reviews on them for beginers(since their not so complex as TOP etc...).

[magx]

i would also like to know what do you think should be my first 10 books and in what order ? Im mostly play no limit sng's online(and some no limit cash games).

thx again

[Gelford]

Get LBG and the SNG book from Collin Moshman, drop the rest.

[phydaux]

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The books that are missing from your list are Kill Phil...

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Because I like you I won't do it, but I was just going to say, "anyone who suggests Kill Phil will be banned for 3 days".

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deca,

I'm not a tourney player at all really, just NL cash, but I thought Kill Phil was suppose to be close to optimum for tourneys, particularly as you get close to the bubble and after.

Is this no longer conventional wisdom?

Granted in the early stages of a MTT there will be a period when stacks are deep relative to the blinds, and a more conventional style will be appropriate. But as blinds get high (or stacks get low) isn't jam poker the way to go?

I'll let the MTT & SnG specialist take it from here.

[magx]

Ok thx anyone now i need your help on getting a list of 7-10 first books. There is anyone here who read a lot of books and can help me ? As I told you I play mostly online no limit sng and some live no limit with low blinds. I need both math and theory fundamental cuz i dont have any of them(just few moth's/years of amateur playing). Any help could be greate.

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p.s
another thing i would like to know is this "Professional No-Limit Hold 'em" 2+2 going to publish at the 20th is "easyer" then ToP and those outher 2+2 books ? I mean is it for more beginner players ?

[dyinginabubble]

The list of books you should read, in the order you should read them given that you are a NL sng player, with a few years of experience are imo:

1. Sit 'n Go Strategy by Collin Moshman
Although I haven't read it, as it hasn't come out yet obviously, there are no other books specifically written about sngs that are worth reading. Anything published by 2+2 (especially lately) is going to have the best advice around.

2. Harington On Hold Em vol 1
Intended for MTT's, this book contains a lot of advice that are applicable to SNGs (SNGs are tournaments after all, just single table), and the series is the best advice on Tournament poker period (earth shattering in fact).

3. Harrington on Hold Em vol 2
This might be your MOST useful resource. Intended for late in tournaments, there are going to be countless situations where the ideas in this book come into play. Pure gold.

4. Harrington on Hold Em vol 3
A book of hand examples.

5. No Limit Hold Em: Theory and Practice
While intended for cash games, this book will get you thinking on a deeper level about no limit hold em. This goes beyond "if you have this hand, you should do this". It shows you how to think about the game, so you can deduce your move in any situation.

6. Full Tilt Strategy Guide
Again more geared toward MTTs, this book shows some concepts that are new and sometimes contrary to what you will see elsewhere. I think this one is a must because it offers new information, by top players, that was previously not mentioned elsewhere.

Given your circumstances, you don't need to read anything else that is currently in print. Since you have been playing for a couple of years you can completely bypass Phil Gordon's series as they are pretty dumbed down.

[Sharagoz]

"help on getting a list of 7-10 first books"
It kind of sounds like you're planning to get 10 books that cover the basics. Im not sure you'll need 10 books that keep repeating the importance of pot odds, and when semi-bluffs can come in handy.
I'd recomend one book for the basics. Maybe "the theory of poker". This one will (hopefully) teach you a lot about the fundamental concepts of poker.
Then move straight on to the more practical books. I would recomend reading "Super System" and "Harrington on Hold 'em" early. If you're gonna learn, you might as well learn from the best.
The first poker book I ever read was "Super System" and I bought it a couple of months after I started playing. I never felt it was too advanced. I must have re-read the hold 'em chapters there 15 times during the first year I played. Its gold.