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This is about the 5th hand of one of the 2.20 100K MTT sats that Stars runs every hour. I'm not sure if it being a satelitte matters since we are so early on. No read on opponents.
Level I (10/20) Seat 1: Porcells (1500 in chips) Seat 2: SFPathfinder (1480 in chips) Seat 3: khoos (1560 in chips) Seat 4: Ken_AA (1470 in chips) Seat 5: Abrahamdon (1480 in chips) Seat 6: domino7 (1500 in chips) Seat 7: RCRM1 (1630 in chips) Seat 8: AlanThicke14 (1500 in chips) Seat 9: rockybe (1380 in chips) Abrahamdon: posts small blind 10 domino7: posts big blind 20 Dealt to Ken_AA J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG Calls, UTG +1 Calls, three folds,Hero calls, Sb Calls, BB checks. 6 to Flop, Pot is 120 Flop T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 Checks, UTG+1 bets 60, Hero raises 180 to 240, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls 180. Did I make the pot to big here? I was hoping to take it down at this point. 2 to Turn Pot is 600 Turn 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Villian checks, Hero bets 240, Villian raises 880 to 1120 and is all in. Hero? I hate this turn as if he flopped a set I'm now drawing dead. I was concerned about this and that is why the small turn bet, but maybe I just made myself look weak and brought on a bluff? I ended up folding but am still not sure it was the right play, but I can't decide what I should ahve done. Thanks, Ken ( I almost never post hands and have never figured the converter out so I did my best here.) |
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I don't like anything about your turnbet.Up until then,everything is fine.You could have made it 300 on the flop I guess,but it doesn't really matter,if he calls 240,he calls 300.
Personally I'd check back on the turn.You have top pair with a flushdraw,it's a good hand,but far from certain that you are ahead right now,but you would hate getting pushed off your draw here.Of course,that's exactly what happened,and that's why you should check. If you do bet though,bet more.If you bet say 500,you are pot committed,so you have a much easier decision. Anyway,it looks to me like he's got a hand.He called your raise,then on the turn set you up for the c/r.I don't think you are drawing dead though,can't imagine he'd push if he turned a boat.He might raise,but not all in. I don't know what I'd do here.Hard to fold a hand like this especially as you already have committed 1/3 of your stack,but I guess you have to...however,next time,check the turn!!Always!! |
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Yea I make this move alot on flops like this and if i get called most of the time Im checking behind. It looks weak and if you hit you can be sure villain is going to lead out on the river unless he suspects a draw.
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Preflop and flop is good. Turn I'd bet 400 and call a push. If he calls I'm checking behind on most river unless spade or a T hits.
edit: these reason I'm not checking behind on the turn is because people playing these will call the turn w/ worse hands than yours. If this was a larger buy-in MTT i'd like a turn check better as you'll either get c/r or villain will fold almost always. |
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You definately have a point that he'll get called with a lot of worse hands in these tourneys,I totally agree.Here though,I just don't think there are that many hands we are ahead of.Because our kicker is so weak,can we beat anything but middle pair or a draw here?
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You definately have a point that he'll get called with a lot of worse hands in these tourneys,I totally agree.Here though,I just don't think there are that many hands we are ahead of.Because our kicker is so weak,can we beat anything but middle pair or a draw here? [/ QUOTE ] With this board being kind of draw heavy I think villain would've 3-bet the flop w/ most hands that beat you (set, 2-pair, AT). Judging by the flop action, on the turn when he checks it to us, I'd say the only hands we have to worry about are KT and QT. I think it's more likely that he got some sort of draw or a worse made hand. If we check behind its possible we then ones giving him a free card to beat us (better spade draw, straigth draw, etc.) |
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The turn was dangerous for you and the villain gave you a free card, why didn't you take it? You also bet verrrry weak (240 into a 600 pot) which I sometimes do to induce a bluff, and thats what it looks like here. If you're drawing and someone offers you a free card, you should take it. You tried to take it on the flop and villain says he has something, so the same thing rarely works on the turn.
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The turn was dangerous for you and the villain gave you a free card, why didn't you take it? You also bet verrrry weak (240 into a 600 pot) which I sometimes do to induce a bluff, and thats what it looks like here. [/ QUOTE ] No, this does not look like a bluff. How many Villains will decide that a bet of roughly half pot from their opponent is enough of a tell to decide to throw their stack in the middle? I'll agree that more often a boated Villain will make a smaller raise, but certainly not always. On the flop, I play this like a set, which is what you did. Fine. I want to get it in if I can. On the turn, I'll bet around 2/3 pot there quite often; this is simply a spot where you need to trust a read, and even online, you ought to have some kind of gut reaction. If your keyboard is literally covered in bile, mucking is fine -- even for the price you'd be getting. But there's probably have to be actual bile projecting for me to muck. That said, that turn card does indeed suck for you, and if you're looking for low-variance, show-it-down style, checking behind is fine. In a tournament, there's nothing wrong this mentality in this spot. You'll dominate fewer tables, but you'll see less variance. And since I know how you play, and you play well, I want an explanation for that size turn bet. I actually think it looks much more like a value bet than a scared bet; it would look like a blocker if you were OOP. But what were you trying to accomplish? |
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And since I know how you play, and you play well, I want an explanation for that size turn bet. I actually think it looks much more like a value bet than a scared bet; it would look like a blocker if you were OOP. But what were you trying to accomplish? [/ QUOTE ] Well, I was thinking that 1) he may just gve up the hand to any bet if he didn't like the turn card 2) If he calls I know I'm beat unless I hit my flush, in which case I showdown as cheap as possible. When he pushes here I have no idea where I stand, do I have 14 outs ( 2 T's 3 J's and 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]'s) 12 outs ( 3 J's and 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]'s, no T's) or 0 outs ( Made full house) Thinking back on this hand now that I have some feed back I like the check the turn, however I'm still not sure I call an open push if the River is a brick. In a standard freeze out I have decided I would call the turn push as played, however in these specific satellites you don't really need to build much of a stack. Thanks for the input and any more advice is appreciated. Ken |
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This early in a micro I play the flop the same.
On the turn I check behind as my hand isnt strong enough and there's an invitation of a free card to make the flush. Worrying about sets and full houses in micros on level I is not something I think is worth doing. |
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