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Old 07-12-2007, 01:49 AM
Nomar Nomar is offline
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Default Main Event bustout hand...just lay this down ?

I have been at this table for about 3 hrs and benn fairly active.

I have 173k, Christian Toth(?) has me covered by less than 500.

blinds 1k-2k,300

I raise utg+1 to 6k with QQ
He flat calls next position.

Flop 963 rainbow, I bet 7500, he makes it 19500, I call.
Turn Q, completing the 4 suit rainbow, I bet 15k, he calls.
River K, I bet 25k, he jams for 113 more.
I call.

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Old 07-12-2007, 02:02 AM
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Default Re: Main Event bustout hand...just lay this down ?

you bet 15K into a 55K pot with top set on the turn? I think this is kinda FPS given villain's actions in the hand so far.

If he hit the two-outer he's tricky, lucky and nothing you can do. If he hit the str8 I *really* hate your bet on the turn.... I mean, I already hate it but can say it again since you posted results.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:05 AM
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Default Re: Main Event bustout hand...just lay this down ?

horrific turn play

take your losing with 2nd set story to bbv
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:26 AM
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Default Re: Main Event bustout hand...just lay this down ?

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horrific turn play

take your losing with 2nd set story to bbv

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no wonder I dont read/post in this forum much.

btw I think this guy plays well and really like his play in this hand, and he doesnt make KKK.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:27 AM
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Default Re: Main Event bustout hand...just lay this down ?

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horrific turn play

take your losing with 2nd set story to bbv

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no wonder I dont read/post in this forum much.

btw I think this guy plays well and really like his play in this hand, and he doesnt make KKK.

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I am an [censored].

But don't hate me because I don't sugarcoat obvious stuff for you.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:28 AM
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Default Re: Main Event bustout hand...just lay this down ?

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horrific turn play

take your losing with 2nd set story to bbv

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no wonder I dont read/post in this forum much.


btw I think this guy plays well and really like his play in this hand, and he doesnt make KKK.

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Don't shoot the messenger. Your play stunk.

And you are not betting to protect your hand, you are betting to make sure that you stack him when he has 45/78, a set, two pair, or an overpair.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:42 AM
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:56 AM
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Default Re: Main Event bustout hand...just lay this down ?

I think the most important issue is building the pot so you get stacked. You don't get these types of hands frequently, so it is crucial that you get maximum value, and if you don't size you bets properly from the beginning, you can't do that. I don't really think you could have, or would have wanted to, avoid the very small chance of the bust out. Just really hideous luck.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:18 AM
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Default Re: Main Event bustout hand...just lay this down ?

Villian in this hand plays pretty good from what I have seen.

After I call the flop I dont think he bets many hands on the turn, so checkraing is not an option, because any hands he would bet through the Queen hes not folding, hes either raising or calling my bet.

As far as the size of the bet, I bet 15k into 55, thinking he has 1 out to make quads, or no outs. Either way, I like the small bet.
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Old 07-12-2007, 02:27 AM
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Default Re: Main Event bustout hand...just lay this down ?

I think putting him purely on a set after the flop is too narrow a range. I would certainly include AA and KK in his range, and also a float some percentage of the time. Therefore I would give him credit for likely having 1 to 2 outs after the turn.

Even ignoring outs, another reason to bet more on the turn is to build the pot so that shoving the river becomes an easy decision. As played the stack sizes were a little awkward on the river.
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