Hooray, more Razz

[Alchemist]

My 3rd hand at the table and everyone's a stranger.


HORSE - Razz ($1/$2), Ante $0.10, Bring-In $0.50 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 2: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 5: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (4.30 SB)

Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls

5th Street - (3.65 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls

6th Street - (6.65 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds

River - (8.65 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets

Total pot: (8.65 BB)

[DJ Sensei]

probably could fold 3rd, but at a full table i guess a call is alright

4th is obv call

5th i might raise, but i dont think anybody is folding so call is probably best there too

6th is obv bet

7th is obv bet/fold too, i think

yup, pretty standard.

[Alchemist]

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5th i might raise, but i dont think anybody is folding so call is probably best there too


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At the time, I kind of felt a raise was good to try and get rid of the 7. Should he call a double bet with 7+wheel card down? What if I was HU with the bettor?

[keebler61]

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5th i might raise, but i dont think anybody is folding so call is probably best there too


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At the time, I kind of felt a raise was good to try and get rid of the 7. Should he call a double bet with 7+wheel card down? What if I was HU with the bettor?

[/ QUOTE ] One can assume the 5 paired him in hindsight, or he started with a bad hand and decided to try to semi-bluff if he caught a few good cards. Also possible, in my mind, is that he could have smooth check called 4th and checked on 5th planning a check raise with a pat 7. Now, a raise by you would open up the option for a 3 bet by the 7, putting you in a very awkward spot, depending on what seat 4 did. On the other side of the coin, if he is as really as weak as he's playing, then it is also a mistake for him to be putting his chips in the pot.

[Aardvarkvan]

In my utterly insignificant opinion (first post! lawl): well played. Your hand's showing signs of rigor mortis on 3rd with live draws, so call's justified (if not exactly clear) despite 2 "better" opponents.

5th Street bettor's drawing to something strong, but your hand contains most of what he wants. Isn't there a rule of thumb about a good draw on 5th leading any made hand worse than a smooth 9? Your rough 8 should be better than Seat 4's draw. As for Seat 5, the checks imply weak hole card or weak player. Possibly you could have raised here.

Bet on 6th = obvious.

River bet seems correct (guy's in love with his draw, may call if he missed it by a little). I count 10 dead low cards (two Aces, three sevens, etc.) that he wanted; how often does he hit that draw?

[Aardvarkvan]

(meh, posted before catching Sensei's reply. Virtual quote of his opinion = pure coincidence. Honest.)
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[SGspecial]

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(meh, posted before catching Sensei's reply. Virtual quote of his opinion = pure coincidence. Honest.)
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No sweat Aard. Agreement is tolerated once in a while in these forums [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Andy B]

Usual caveats about razz. Isn't third a fold? I'd be more interested if the Eight were hidden. By the same token, you're sucking some serious hind tit on fourth. I guess it's a call, but I wouldn't like it. The rest looks OK, but I think I'd check the river.

[SGspecial]

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Usual caveats about razz. Isn't third a fold? I'd be more interested if the Eight were hidden. By the same token, you're sucking some serious hind tit on fourth. I guess it's a call, but I wouldn't like it. The rest looks OK, but I think I'd check the river.

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3rd st is very marginal, I'd probly fold it here too. Q: would you call if it were a $2 ante instead?

[Andy B]

Of course. Where do they have a game where the ante is the same as the big bet?