50 NL: Flop decision

relativity_x · #1 07-10-2007, 09:40 PM

somewhat new to the table. Villain seems to be very aggro and is 27/17/2.5 over 30 hands. I have a somewhat LAG image too. I got caught pushing all in on a OESD within the first 5 hands. I since have tightened up.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($70.20)
MP ($46.80)
CO ($116.60)
Button ($55.45)
SB ($52.95)
BB ($46.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $2, MP calls $2, 2 folds, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($6.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.5, MP folds, SB raises to $14.5, Hero ??????

derosnec · #2 07-10-2007, 09:47 PM

min-3bet.

Gigglegirl · #3 07-10-2007, 10:31 PM

I tank and I call.
He's only got ~$36 left, a PSB, after you call him and he may shove any non ace turn with his KQ or w/e he has. A 3 bet might slow him down thinking you have AA.

wildzer0 · #4 07-10-2007, 10:32 PM

Push?

wildzer0 · #5 07-10-2007, 10:34 PM

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min-3bet.

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I've seen you recommend minraising a couple times and it's something I never do. Maybe I'm missing spots where it could be profitable? Why would you recommend min 3betting over pushing here?

qdmcg · #6 07-10-2007, 10:38 PM

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min-3bet.

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I've seen you recommend minraising a couple times and it's something I never do. Maybe I'm missing spots where it could be profitable? Why would you recommend min 3betting over pushing here?

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a lot of people say this sometimes as a joke. in this case, i don't really know if hes serious or not. a min bet in this case will almost certainly at least be called (if not pushed over) by the villian. if villain calls here, we have a ton of $ in the pot with a dominating hand. he won't be able to get away frm almost any Kx hands on the turn due to the amount of money in the pot.

Gigglegirl · #7 07-10-2007, 10:55 PM

Why push this flop? We've the 2nd nuts. Why give Villain a chance to get away?
What are people putting Villain on? And what will he put us on if we push?
A king seems his most likely hand and any king will likely fold to a push. If he's got OESD or flush draw he can fold to a push too.
If he's got some combo, pair + flush/straight draw he'll likely shove that on the turn anyway.
If he's aggro, let him hang himself on the turn.

wildzer0 · #8 07-10-2007, 10:57 PM

We've got a laggy image and a very drawy flop. He calls with a lot of draws and Kx here pretty often I think. This is the kind of flop we want to play hard.

relativity_x · #9 07-11-2007, 08:52 AM

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Why push this flop? We've the 2nd nuts. Why give Villain a chance to get away?
What are people putting Villain on? And what will he put us on if we push?
A king seems his most likely hand and any king will likely fold to a push. If he's got OESD or flush draw he can fold to a push too.
If he's got some combo, pair + flush/straight draw he'll likely shove that on the turn anyway.
If he's aggro, let him hang himself on the turn.

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I agree with everything gigglegirl has mentioned here. I think a push is bad for a few reasons. I kill my action if he only has kq kinda hand, and I'd like to see what the turn brings before I commit my stack. I also have position and believe he'll stick it on the turn with almost any card giving his aggression because my call underrepresents my hand.

his range: kqs,kjs,k9s,qjs,q9s,qjo,55,jj. The following hands are possible, but aren't very likey due to his action: aks,aqs,ajs,qq. I'd think most villains with his stats would 3bet aks,qq preflop, and I doubt he cr ajs/aqs on this flop.

turn(35.5): J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB bets 36, hero pushes all-in, SB calls

river(108.4): 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

SB shows k [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

derosnec · #10 07-10-2007, 11:12 PM

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min-3bet.

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I've seen you recommend minraising a couple times and it's something I never do. Maybe I'm missing spots where it could be profitable? Why would you recommend min 3betting over pushing here?

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one reason is so he will push. we don't want FE here. even if he just calls he's making a big mistake because the min-3bet is pretty large here and he can't get away from it on the turn (which will miss him what 80% of the time if he's drawing?). but most times he will push over our reraise on the flop. if he folds, he was folding anyway to a push.