Confused with JJ .10/.20

[losingdonkey]

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.10/$0.2
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, 4 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG caps</font>, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (16.5SB, 4 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG 3-bets</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (12.25BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (14.25BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 16.25BB

[JJack]

* grunch *

PF: I just call this hand cus CO cold call UTG raise
Flop: As played i would also raise his bet but after his 3 bet at dry board i suspect big pocet ... I would probably call down if dont hit any A or K

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PF: I just call this hand cus CO cold call UTG raise

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[JJack]

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PF: I just call this hand cus CO cold call UTG raise

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So its easy 3 bet even when villians are TAG? (one of them raise from UTG)

[TheEck]

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PF: I just call this hand cus CO cold call UTG raise

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So its easy 3 bet even when villians are TAG? (one of them raise from UTG)

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We don't have any reads to know whether the villain is a TAG, LAG, rock, or loose-passive. That said, I think JJ is a pretty easy 3-bet of a TAG from UTG. A TAG could be opening with AA-99, AKs-AJs, KQs, AK, most of which we are ahead of. When a TAG villain caps the betting preflop, now I'm concerned we're behind AA-QQ and ahead of AKs (and I guess a remote chance we're tied with JJ).

[JJack]

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PF: I just call this hand cus CO cold call UTG raise

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So its easy 3 bet even when villians are TAG? (one of them raise from UTG)

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We don't have any reads to know whether the villain is a TAG, LAG, rock, or loose-passive. That said, I think JJ is a pretty easy 3-bet of a TAG from UTG. A TAG could be opening with AA-99, AKs-AJs, KQs, AK, most of which we are ahead of. When a TAG villain caps the betting preflop, now I'm concerned we're behind AA-QQ and ahead of AKs (and I guess a remote chance we're tied with JJ).

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If im first after UGT TAG raise PF then also i make easy 3 bet but here is one cold call befor me.

I have one idea why you say guys to make 3bet with JJ.

If caller is also TAG what can be his cold call range? Probably only some cards like AJs,AQs,KQs and maybe 99-TT.
Our JJ is ahead PF with all of those cards and then i can understand why 3bet is correct here.

Is my thinking process ok?

[Buckmulligan]

this hand is fine. The thought of waiting for a turn may come to mind but this board is too unthreatening and there's plenty of immediate equity with the second guy crammed between.

[TomTom]

Standard. Seems like a classic WA/WB to me.

[Scary_Tiger]

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Standard. Seems like a classic WA/WB to me.

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wtf this isn't a hard concept. He's either slightly ahead of two overcards, or way behind a larger pair.

Hand is played fine.

[00Snitch]

When he 3-bets the flop, I'm really discounting AK. Considering AK makes up the majority of his range that we were ahead of... assuming he actually caps that UTG... we're screwed.

So whatever, unless I can fold this flop like a hero, I call down and expect to not win very often at all.

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The thought of waiting for a turn may come to mind


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I thought about this too, but I just think the pot is too big to give cheap cards to the muppets in CO and Button when there are probably lots of overcards in their range. However, it's not like your raise is protecting, and I don't know if you have much of an equity edge on the flop, so waiting for the turn might be a good idea.

I dunno, this hand is all screwy.

Interesting that the Queen actually helps us vs villans range.