100NL I suck at draws...

BevillTheDevil · #1 07-09-2007, 03:24 AM

UTG is 58/17/1.4 150 hands huge fish, UTG+1 is 39/8/2.3 after 50. TBH i think i suck pretty bad at playin draws correctly and find myself not sure what to do in spots like this. Also I think i probably shouldve cbet this flop...

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $153.10
UTG+1: $68.55
CO: $79
Button: $95.20
Hero: $217.35
BB: $22

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6.5, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($20.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $5, UTG+1 raises to $25, Hero ??

mvdgaag · #2 07-09-2007, 03:47 AM

If you push you are either a little ahead or a 2-1 dog against UTG+1 and the pot offers not much more than 4:1. Also (fish or not) UTG is still to act with a bigger stack, so I wouldn't push.

I'm not folding this.

So I'd probably want to call, hope the fish calls as well, pray for hearts and reevaluate on the turn.

GL

kekedarius · #3 07-09-2007, 03:54 AM

b/3b flop jeez

MM_red33 · #4 07-09-2007, 03:56 AM

im thinking J10, 1010-JJ for UTG+1.

The problem i see here is tht if another heart hits ur not getting another dollar from UTG+1 unless hes on a draw as well. So basically your playing for $50 well 75 if you call.

This is ahrd but i probably wouldnt call unless ive been winning alot and feel like gambling.

mvdgaag · #5 07-09-2007, 04:05 AM

Whow, I misread terribly. Thought you had position...
Bet out on flop.
If UTG calls and UTG+1 raises I still wouldn't 3bet, cause you're better off keeping UTG in. You might only be drawing to 9 outs.
If UTG folds and UTG+1 raises I 3bet.

boondoggle · #6 07-09-2007, 04:36 AM

As played, UTG+1 wants everyone to leave. His aggro is not passive and hero checked and UTG made weak bet. He could be doing this with wide range of hands.

I 3bet him all in and UTG will fold. There is ~10-15% chance UTG+1 folds due to him making a play and if he calls you are not that bad against his range.

cheers
Boon

DawnToDusk · #7 07-09-2007, 05:08 AM

What if the turn bricks? Then what? UTG does have a big stack but he sure hasn't represented a lot of strength this hand my limp/calling PF and make a weak bet on the flop. The only thing that might make me not shove this flop is if I have some read on UTG that he tries to build the pot with his strong hands by betting small.

By shoving the flop it gets our money in when we are a favorite (which I would make the assumption we are a lot of the time here) and shuts out the UTG player.

Maliant · #8 07-09-2007, 05:10 AM

I'd bet/fold turn.

DawnToDusk · #9 07-09-2007, 05:15 AM

No no no. Can't do that. The pot will be $95 if you call and UTG+1 comes along. If you bet like $60 on a brick and UTG+1 shoves you are going to barf and [censored] yourself but you aren't going to fold for another ~$60 that you have to call from UTG+1. Pot will be like $240 (assuming UTG gets his money in too).

Just shove the flop. Your money will still get in when you have the best of it and you have fold equity against UTG.

Maliant · #10 07-09-2007, 05:17 AM

[censored] I wasn't thinking when I said bet / fold I meant, try to bet a smallish amount on turn and keep pot small as you can. You are committed to this pot tho, I just dont like shoving on flop because you are risking more than you need too at that time I like waiting for turn if I am going to shove.