JJ vs a fish who likes his hand

[sublime]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $146.00
BB: $153.00
UTG: $59.35
MP: $424.20
Hero (CO): $200.00
BTN: $119.15

Reads: <font color="blue">villian is 38/8/2 over 100+ hands. we dont have any history that i can recall.</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $2.00, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $9.00</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $7.00, UTG folds

Flop: ($21) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $17.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $40.00</font>

Pot Size: $78.00

[GrandMelon]

Shove and win vs 77. Stacking off on a blank turn is an option but there are too many scare cards to do so IMO.

[sublime]

whats his range here?

[johnnybeef]

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whats his range here?

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Quite large, and I think that you fare well against it. I would definitely say that 88 and 99 are there, as are some big draws. I don't know if shoving the flop will get called by too many hands that beat you, so I would lean slightly towards call/shove turn to get an extra bet out of these types of hands.

[spaceballs]

looks like a gamble to me; favouring villan 60-40

[TRD23]

Can someone explain why call/shove turn is better than shoving flop in this situation?

I understand in some cases why the turn is the better option but that does not appear to be the case here. If we do wait for the turn and a scare card hits are we folding?

FWIW I am shoving here.

[johnnybeef]

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Can someone explain why call/shove turn is better than shoving flop in this situation?


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Absolutely! A lot of times, a flop 3bet shove will only get called by hands that have us crushed, or we are only a slight favorite against (a big draw.) So, it is my opinion that calling will get more value from hands that have us beat.

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If we do wait for the turn and a scare card hits are we folding?


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Ahhh, that is the beauty of position.

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FWIW I am shoving here.

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I do not think that shoving is by any means bad, I just think that calling and playing the turn is a little bit more profitable for several reasons.


Edit: Just realized: BB: $153.00, I think that it makes a bit more sense to shove flop as he is likely more commited with only 75 bbs.