queens on the bubble prove my roomate wrong

[ParadiceCity]

Plz only reply if you know what you are talking about. My roomate doesn't see why this is a bad call with QQ. Most people will call with QQ here, but my point is that it isnt a correct play mathematically and strategically. If someone could do a SnGPT or Pokerstove on this I am interested in the output.

Sklansky's Tournaments for Advanced Players: Folding Aces chapter refers to this also.

Thanks

PokerStars Game #10815711204: Tournament #54822904, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/07/07 - 14:04:59 (ET)
Table '54822904 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Miklan300 (2095 in chips)
Seat 4: BigPairOO (2600 in chips)
Seat 5: dezzie02 (1590 in chips)
Seat 8: ParadiceCity (7215 in chips)
Miklan300: posts the ante 25
BigPairOO: posts the ante 25
dezzie02: posts the ante 25
ParadiceCity: posts the ante 25
BigPairOO: posts small blind 200
dezzie02: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ParadiceCity [As 8h]
ParadiceCity: raises 6790 to 7190 and is all-in
Miklan300: folds
BigPairOO: calls 2375 and is all-in
dezzie02: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 3h Kd]
*** TURN *** [5d 3h Kd] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [5d 3h Kd 8d] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BigPairOO: shows [Qd Qc] (two pair, Queens and Threes)
ParadiceCity: shows [As 8h] (two pair, Eights and Threes)
BigPairOO collected 5650 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5650 | Rake 0
Board [5d 3h Kd 8d 3c]
Seat 1: Miklan300 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: BigPairOO (small blind) showed [Qd Qc] and won (5650) with two pair, Queens and Threes
Seat 5: dezzie02 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ParadiceCity showed [As 8h] and lost with two pair, Eights and Threes

[kyro]

I'm not sure YOU know what you're talking about.

Edit: You edited post. BTW, I hate your call with T6 there.

[kyro]

My gut says it's close. Not sure shorty is short enough to fold QQ here.

[ParadiceCity]

sorry posted the wrong hand, ya i was tilting

[kyro]

I think your head is in the right spot with why you think he should fold QQ. And in some situations, it certainly is the right play, but if you've been vv aggressive, he's got close to 70-75% equity or so vs your hand range. A double up would put him in great position to win the tournament. I dont' have sngpt on this computer, but I really think a call is fine here on his part.

[DeuceSeven]

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[kyro]

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QQ is about the easiest call you can make even if villain is pushing fairly tight TT+, AJs+, AQo. They don't get any easier then this. +5.3%

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Wow. It's THAT good of a call? I thought it'd be much closer.

[DeuceSeven]

[ QUOTE ]
QQ is about the easiest call you can make even if villain is pushing fairly tight TT+, AJs+, AQo. They don't get any easier then this. +5.3%

[/ QUOTE ]



My bad, I read the output wrong, just woke up. This is a fold. -1.9%. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[kyro]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
QQ is about the easiest call you can make even if villain is pushing fairly tight TT+, AJs+, AQo. They don't get any easier then this. +5.3%

[/ QUOTE ]



My bad, I read the output wrong, just woke up. This is a fold. -1.9%. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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If he's tight? What about if he's pushing 60% or so.

[DeuceSeven]

Top 60% this is a call for +2 %.