TP2K and heavy action

NIX · #1 07-05-2007, 10:55 AM

The BB is a guy I've been following around and mentioned in the NC thread. He's at 63/15/2.1 over 279 hands. He loves to bluff and he loves to donk. He donks basically any flop if he has some sort of pair or some sort of straight or flush draw. He also donks with air on dry flops and I've seen him do it once in a 5 way pot. I've only seen him go three bets on a street a few times, mostly with made hands, top pair or better, although he's done it with a gutshot straight flush draw with one overcard once, and with air a few times when he got into a penis waving contest with a bad play who felt the need to try to push him off of every hand. On the turn, he likes to donk when he improves, either via getting a pair (or another pair if he already had one), completing a draw, or picking up a draw. He'll donk scare cards too. Usually, when he has initiative, he'll keep firing. He beat me up early, but once I figure out what he's been up to, I've been calling him down with ace and king high a lot as well as waiting a street to raise or screwplaying him with a lot of success. Finally, I've seen him raise/fold to a 3-bet preflop twice FWIW.

UTG has been TAGgish at is 27/22/1.6 over 146. I haven't seen him do too much of notice, although he does show down an awful lot. If he has second pair or better, he tries to get to showdown. He also shows down pocket pairs all time, including underpairs such as 44 on a KKx against me when I 3-bet him PF. He'll pay off turn check/raises to showdown too.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG raises, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

My plan on the flop was to call and re-evaluate on the turn. I liked the turn card and turn action and decided to get to showdown. Does this line look ok here, or did I just play this hand too weak?

Bona · #2 07-05-2007, 11:09 AM

I'm not real taken with the 3 bet preflop but given it' 5 players and they have wide ranges probably OK.

After that what are you gonna do. Looks like we are probably ahead of UTG and we have no clue what BB is betting or spewing with. We are often good with TPGK here so I call it down as well.

kerowo · #3 07-05-2007, 11:37 AM

I really don't care for the pf 3-bet. Especially if he is position aware, especially if he doesn't fold pairs.

marchron · #4 07-05-2007, 02:47 PM

It's 5-handed. If those stats are for FR, his range is huge here. Three-balling is fine.

kerowo · #5 07-05-2007, 02:50 PM

Crap! Missed that it was shorthanded. I suck at short handed so nevermind.

NIX · #6 07-05-2007, 03:09 PM

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I really don't care for the pf 3-bet. Especially if he is position aware, especially if he doesn't fold pairs.

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It was just my 'don't cool call in the SB in a blind steal situation' mindset kicking in. Plus, even if he isn't going to fold pocket pairs later in the hand that often (he might on Axx boards, but I'm not completely confident), I'd figure him to fold a lot of aces that are ahead of me that whiff on the flop.

nomadtla · #7 07-05-2007, 03:17 PM

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It was just my 'don't cool call in the SB in a blind steal situation' mindset kicking in.

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With that style of BB still to act I don't think we need to have this mindset. He's gonna call anything for 2 that he will for 1. Plus UTG capping if we 3bet makes me want to punch babies since we are OOP the rest of the hand, and caught between a rock and an idiot.

As played I think the rest of your line is OK

NIX · #8 07-05-2007, 08:49 PM

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It was just my 'don't cool call in the SB in a blind steal situation' mindset kicking in.

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With that style of BB still to act I don't think we need to have this mindset. He's gonna call anything for 2 that he will for 1. Plus UTG capping if we 3bet makes me want to punch babies since we are OOP the rest of the hand, and caught between a rock and an idiot.

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I thought about that too after the fact and can't say that I disagree in this case.

jeanbaptiste36 · #9 07-05-2007, 03:24 PM

I don't see an opportunity to raise and protect here. BB got his Q4 whatever. UTG some sort of PP, some of which you beat, some of which you don't. WA/WB?

nomadtla · #10 07-05-2007, 03:35 PM

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I don't see an opportunity to raise and protect here. BB got his Q4 whatever. UTG some sort of PP, some of which you beat, some of which you don't. WA/WB?

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WA/WB is a line for a heads up situation where both you and your opponents likely holdings have few outs whether you are ahead or behind. This is a 3 way pot with a straight and a flushdraw possible. It is a calldown situation but not a WA/WB.