2/4 AK in the SB. Can u find a fold here?

ChicagoPoker · #1 07-04-2007, 01:19 AM

Some thoughts on this hand would be appreciated. I usually slow down when I get c/r on the turn like this....Can you find a fold here? And where?

Btw I know I should cap preflop. Not sure what I was thinking. Villain is 34/1/2.6 over 90 hands (lol).

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG 3-bets, CO folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (7 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

BigBadBabar · #2 07-04-2007, 01:25 AM

not c/r on turn [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
dunno if i can raise river...it didn't change anything. i guess just call river.

Boo Boo · #3 07-04-2007, 01:26 AM

For me, the pot is too big to fold. Your getting at least 10:1 on the turn and the river is even worse.

Sure you probably beaten but for me the pot is to damn big.

Of course this could be one of my major leaks.

ChicagoPoker · #4 07-04-2007, 01:32 AM

Well yeah. I mean the only hands I'm beating are like AT, lol. This hand is just a small sample of what I *believe* is a leak in my game: Whenever I get c/r'd in a multiway pot on the turn, it seems like I always lose and would have been better off just folding the damn turn. This is of course when I have a hand like TPTK or an overpair.

In this specific hand I wasn't check raised but you get my drift. Sudden turn aggression usually means bad news, lol.

Boo Boo · #5 07-04-2007, 01:39 AM

Even with the raise on the turn, you still have the odds to try and outdraw on the river even if you are behind.

There is a possibility of QJ as well that you just beat. To me it just seems that you are not beat more than 92% of the time.

I think it is just one of those times where you have to call down. Size of pot dictates.

Oink · #6 07-04-2007, 05:02 AM

- The flop 3-bet is a bit outta line. He LRR you preflop so I would just try to get to SD expecting a big hand fairly often. If the flop was A22 I wouldnt mind the 3-bet.

- You cant fold the turn. You have been owned pretty badly so far in the hand. Folding a 4 outer to the nuts (no he doesnt have a K when you are behind) getting 10:1 is pretty terrible.

- The river is close. I would c/c hoping to see another AK. But I think you are screwed a lot.

ChicagoPoker · #7 07-04-2007, 10:57 AM

So it sounds like everyone is advocating going into calldown mode once he raises the flop.

And I didn't even notice the limp reraise.

Villain showed AQo and MHING.

Kvacke · #8 07-04-2007, 12:43 PM

Well.. Those stats over 90 hands are pretty retarded.. the tell you a few things:

1. He has raised one time pf in 90 hands, and now he limp-rr, that is a big sign of strength.
2. He is starting his firing chips to right and left ones it is postflopp,

So his c/r on this board should mean either that he the huge hand he told u about preflopp or that he is just firing chips again.
In both cases I would like him to have the lead the rest of the hand, that pf sign is to strong to anything else and if he is bluffing u dont want him to stop that.

You dont want to fold strong hands in big pots hu vs retards, so dont put yourself in that situation.

bboy_ · #9 07-04-2007, 08:17 PM

for the first hand i think you played it perfectly. that guy is quite a wierd one though being aggressive enough postlop yet having a pfr of 1%

the second hand you played perfectly too. you need to bet that turn because if he simply calls then you probably have a value bet on the river as well. i would definately call down vs that player as well.