flop hypothetical

[joker122]

mid or high stakes 6 handed

you open JT from the button, unknown bb calls.

flop is 892r and he checkraises you.

with what frequency do you

1. 3bet and bet the turn
2. 3bet and check the turn
3. call and raise the turn
4. call flop and call turn

[danzasmack]

This is obv VERY opponent dependent but honestly close to equal frequency on all lines. It really depends on the past few pots i've played.

1. 3bet and bet the turn - I've been getting run over, folding a lot to 2bet streets. This is my default line i like the image it grants me.
2. 3bet and check the turn - I know he'll c/r any pair but i also know he's showing it down and won't fire 67/7T on the river.
3. call and raise the turn - done the 1st 2, they don't work. Dude is a bad TAG.
4. call flop and call turn - lolo you have a 9 always. Or lolo i have nothing always.

Really just depends on the past few hands.

[Victor]

i never 3bet flop. not sure if thats good or bad.

[yourface]

I mix up 1 and 4, depends on villain

I use 3 sometimes vs the right villain if I get a K/A turn

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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i never 3bet flop. not sure if thats good or bad.

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I almost always 3bet the flop. Not sure if thats good or bad.

[vmacosta]

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i never 3bet flop. not sure if thats good or bad.

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I almost always 3bet the flop. Not sure if thats good or bad.

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[Ian J]

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i never 3bet flop. not sure if thats good or bad.

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Curious how you and others who have made similar always or never comments are playing the flop with a hand like Q9?

Also, I'm with danza on the almost equal frequency front. I think 3 betting and checking is the worst option. So maybe 10% for that and an even 30 the other 3. Though I don't find myself calling and raising the turn often with hands like this, which is probably not good.

[Heisenb3rg]

How I play semi-bluff type hands on drawy flops depend on the showdown value of the draw compared to OTHER draws on the flop, as well as it's total equity if you get played back at.

With the hands with the strongest showdown value I'll take a line which will get me to a showdown cheaply, as well as pump the pot with a possible equity edge, and fold out better air.

With the hands with the weakest showdown value (67 here), I would take a line that minimizes my getting played back at by other draws, and maximizes my fold equity. (raise turn).

Very situational dependent. JT is a hand that is incredible equity against a pair, decent showdown value against most of the draws, but is behind to gutshot overcards. I think getting agressive on the flop is the best with this because of your very strong equity against a pair, as well as you wont get pushed off the best hand too often because you can catch so many cards. You should also fold out the air.

The only hand I would want to check the turn with is one im planning to showdown. If I believed my opponent would not cap his semi-bluffs, I would 3-bet the flop, check the turn , call a blank river and possibly bluff raise/bet an Ace/King river.

[Victor]

"Curious how you and others who have made similar always or never comments are playing the flop with a hand like Q9?"

usually call down or jack turn or river. i pretty much never 3bet my strong hands on the flop so i dont 3bet my draws.

[joker122]

"How I play semi-bluff type hands on drawy flops depend on the showdown value of the draw compared to OTHER draws on the flop, as well as it's total equity if you get played back at.

With the hands with the strongest showdown value I'll take a line which will get me to a showdown cheaply, as well as pump the pot with a possible equity edge, and fold out better air.

With the hands with the weakest showdown value (67 here), I would take a line that minimizes my getting played back at by other draws, and maximizes my fold equity. (raise turn)."

good stuff here.