($1k NL) Interesting river decision with trips.

[Mr_Donktastic]

Villian is unknown. Well, I've seen villian play exactly one hand, his BB b4 this one. He checked his option with A9 and bet and called a raise OOP on the flop of AK8, then called a $100 turn bet, then checked through on the rvr. He won vs A7.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $5/$10 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $1,241.00
BB: $157.10
UTG: $1,000.00
UTG+1: $970.00
Hero (MP1): $891.00
MP2: $975.00
CO: $207.80
BTN: $1,907.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $35.00</font>, 3 folds, SB calls $30.00, BB calls $25.00

Flop: ($105) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $70.00</font>, SB calls $70.00, BB folds

Turn: ($245) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($245) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $245.00</font>, Hero ?

Thoughts on all streets, but what to do on the river?

I actually considered all 3 options here, which is pretty strange...

[Klompy]

I'd call the river.

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What makes you consider folding?

[Mr_Donktastic]

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What makes you consider folding?

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Just because to make this river pot bet he SHOULD have a really strong hand, like at least trips or better. TP tripped up on the rvr, there is a flush possible, there is an A out there, etc. OTOH it could be a bluff.

It really shouldn't be a hand like aces up, but you never know if people are playing 'correctly'....so I had to consider raising too esp after he showed a tendency to call raises with TPNK.

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What makes you consider folding?

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Just because to make this river pot bet he SHOULD have a really strong hand, like at least trips or better. TP tripped up on the rvr, there is a flush possible, there is an A out there, etc. OTOH it could be a bluff.

It really shouldn't be a hand like aces up, but you never know if people are playing 'correctly'....so I had to consider raising too esp after he showed a tendency to call raises with TPNK.

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I see, a lot of times though a villain may see this as more of a reason to bet since you are less likely now to have TP.

Of course a bluff is in there, as is a flush. However, I think villains bluffing frequency increases a huge amount when you check the turn. I assume you checked the turn with the intention of calling most reasonable river bets on non-flush card rivers?

[Mr_Donktastic]

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I assume you checked the turn with the intention of calling most reasonable river bets on non-flush card rivers?

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Yes that was the plan, but the pot bet threw me off a bit.

Edit: Although if the river completed the flush I prob would have called a small bet with my J high flush.

Another thing to consider is what we would do if the river came the same card but he only bet half pot? I think a small raise (like a minraise) might be more viable there because we could still fold to a poosh?

[moldman]

I'd call here too - definitely not raise. I expect to see something like J9/J7 more than I expect to see air.

[BT2]

i fold here. i would call a half-size pot bet, but betting the pot tells me he either has a flush or a boat.

[TwoNitty]

I probably call too based on the prev hand.

[Specialwon]

Yeah, I think he has a flush more often than not, but you have 2:1 and theres plenty of other stuff that fits his moves. Would a half pot turn bet maybe have clarified things a bit?