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WA/WB? All The Time!
When you say that a hand is WA/WB, what are you really saying about your hand?
Is there one right way to play all WA/WB hands? Just because it sounds fancy to classify something WA/WB doesn't make it WA/WB. This is a term used far too loosely. Seriously think about how ahead/behind your hand is and how easy or hard it is to draw, be outdrawn and redrawn before you slap on the WA/WB label. Hand 1: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Hand 2: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Hand 3: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Hand 4: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Hand 5: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] |
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Re: WA/WB? All The Time!
I think its pretty clear only Hand 1 applies. Everything else is clearly not WA/WB
Hand 1: If someone has a J or pocket 2s you've got two outs. Otherwise you're ahead and everybody else is likely drawing to runner/runner. Hence WA/WB. Hand 2-4: If you think these are WA/WB, you suck at poker. Hand 5: Closer than 2-4 but still not WA/WB. Sure if you're beat you're WB, but if you're ahead someone with an A has 10 outs and someone with a pair (J, 5, or pocket) has 4 outs, so I don't consider this WA. |
#3
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Re: WA/WB? All The Time!
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Hand 1: If someone has a J or pocket 2s you've got two outs. [/ QUOTE ] You have 4 outs against 22. But yeah, the key here is to figure out what hand has the most outs if behind on these boards. If that hand has more than 4 outs no way can it be called WA/WB. |
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Re: WA/WB? All The Time!
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[ QUOTE ] Hand 1: If someone has a J or pocket 2s you've got two outs. [/ QUOTE ] You have 4 outs against 22. But yeah, the key here is to figure out what hand has the most outs if behind on these boards. If that hand has more than 4 outs no way can it be called WA/WB. [/ QUOTE ] Ah, true. I actually added pocket 2s at the last second since I missed that we were behind. |
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Re: WA/WB? All The Time!
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I voted for 3 & 4 [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] How can hand 3 ever be either way ahead or way behind? If you are ahead, your opponent has 0-6 outs. If you are behind you have something like 15-20 outs. Hand 4 (this is a bit hard without the action so far, but anyway), if you are behind, you have to be think you have 4 outs. If you are ahead, your opponent has 5 outs if he paired a King or Queen, four outs if he has a gutshot and 8 outs for an open-ender. 88+ has eight outs. |
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Re: WA/WB? All The Time!
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Two pair is almost always WA [/ QUOTE ] With bottom two pair, especially as low as 72, I very much disagree. |
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Re: WA/WB? All The Time!
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Part of what makes WA/WB is that the odds are roughly equal that we're either WA or WB. [/ QUOTE ] I don't know where this conception comes from but this isn't true at all. WA/WB is exploiting how villain will play the winning and losing hands in his range, it doesn't actually require that we be ahead or behind any specific amount of the time (assuming we're ahead often enough to make folding wrong). (I don't think shillx is being serious btw) |
#8
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Re: WA/WB? All The Time!
zeldark, what is the preflop action? I ccan't vote until I see.
Buzz |
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Re: WA/WB? All The Time!
I voted for 3 & 4. Good pole
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Re: WA/WB? All The Time!
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I voted for 3 & 4. Good pole [/ QUOTE ] Really? How'd you come up with that? 'Cause the answer is not a [censored] one of these are WA/WB, at least not so much that we should take a modest, passive line to prevent either forcing a fold if we're WA or getting repeatedly owned if we're WB. Part of what makes WA/WB is that the odds are roughly equal that we're either WA or WB. Hand 1: we have AA and fear only Jx or 22. We're almost always WA and rarely WB. Hand 2: we're never ever WA when we have a weak overpair. The straight draw only makes things worse. Hand 3: we currently have King-high, so we can't possibly be WA. Our monster draw means we can jam the hell out if it unless we're HU. Hand 4: Two pair is almost always WA. I may be cheating a little, but if we had 72, that means we were probably in the big blind and got a free ride, which means hands like KK, QQ, and KQ are less likely to be out since the pot was limped preflop. Hand 5: With the nut flush, it's true that if we're behind, we're way behind, because we only have one out to beat a full house/quads. But if we're ahead, we're not way ahead, since any Ax has nine outs. |
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