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Hi All,
I am a relative beginner and recently switched from micro SNGs to NLHE 25 cash games. I have been surprised by the number of times I have seen players hit a set and insta-push the flop when a two flush on the board shows up; I have seen it when they were in position and out of position, and I had to have seen in a few times just in the last week. So this play obviously "protects" the hand by killing the pot odds for the flush draw. But the flush draw is only 2-1 to come in anyway....assuming the villian has one to begin with. Doesn't jamming the flop in this situation miss value bets on the river and turn? and all those times a donk will shove a busted draw as a bluff on the river? So why do people do this? Is there ever a good situation to do this in? Or at this level can you shove the flop and count on a donk with a flush draw to call enough times to make it profitable? Anyone else seen this a bunch? |
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my bad, the flush draw is only 3-1 to come in. right?
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my bad, the flush draw is only 3-1 to come in. right? [/ QUOTE ] Odds the flush will come on the turn: 1 to 4.22 Odds the flush will come on the river (blank on the turn): 1 to 4.11 Odds the flush will come flop to river: 1 to 1.86 So if you push 20 bucks into a $100 pot, you'll likely get called every time by a flush draw since it would be a +EV move for them each time. If the situation is reversed ($100 into a $20 pot), the odds won't be good enough for the flush draw to call to have it be a +EV (100 into a 120 pot). At least that's what my beginner math says. Anyone care to correct me? |
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So why do people do this? [/ QUOTE ] Because they're terrible. I don't know if you're aware of this, but there are a lot of people who play poker that have no idea what they're doing... Yeah, surprising, I know.. [ QUOTE ] Is there ever a good situation to do this in? [/ QUOTE ] Uh, if the other guy is a complete idiot who'll call with a worse hand. Otherwise, no. |
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aren't the odds less for a flush winning less than 33% since the heart can't pair the board?
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I have used the jam move but the circumstances are pretty specific, i.e. a board with heavy straight/flush draws plus a loose raiser coming in for a raise before me when a lot of chips are already in the middle. However, it is rare that I do it. Usually I just give them a bad price pure and simple and watch myself if the out I suspect they own hits.
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