Top Pair OOP against LAG

oakrdrzfan · #1 06-29-2007, 07:19 AM

Facing the raise on the flop, what is the next step? I had about 100 hands on him and he was 0 for 3 on showdowns.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $16.66
Hero (BB): $11.91
UTG: $1.23
UTG+1: $12.45
MP1: $8.94
MP2: $1.60
MP3: $2.08
CO: $11.34
BTN: $1.90

Reads: Villain is LAG 30/15/2.8

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.50, 6 folds, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.05) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $0.70, UTG+1 raises to $2.00, Hero ???? Raises all in/Calls/Folds???

Specialwon · #2 06-29-2007, 07:35 AM

Can you label your hands in future to show the buyin, ie
NL10: Top pair OOP ...etc. The micro players are getting a lot of heat for this atm and the higher stakes players will probably ignore your posts if they aren't labelled.

I posted a very similar hand recently, so I'll tell you what they told me. AQs is a perfectly good opening hand from anywhere around the ring, but oop to a raise....particularly from early in the ring....fold it, bc there's too much of a risk that you're against AK. Also, it leads to the exact problem you have here, where your position is really hampering you. If there are multiple callers, you could MAYBE think about calling for nut flush value, but that's really all it's worth here.

On the flop, he is telling you about his AK or AA. Time to fold.

On the reads, I actually find that 30 is comparatively tight for a full stack (you play Party right?). So, even with those stats, his EP range is AA-99 AK and AQ, I doubt he plays AJ. I don't from ep and I play looser than this guy.

King Spew · #3 06-29-2007, 09:45 AM

30 VP$IP- comparatively tight at FR.... u must be joking.

I'm calling for flush value only. Check/fold this flop is best bet. Look ahead to all streets when bricks fall....are you calling good sized bets on all three streets?

Leading is OK...I would lead for a bit more. But as played, it's an easy fold.

Specialwon · #4 06-29-2007, 09:49 AM

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30 VP$IP- comparatively tight at FR.... u must be joking.

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No, I'm completely serious. This is Party, NL10. The games are loose. I have the PT stats.

oakrdrzfan · #5 06-29-2007, 06:59 PM

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30 VP$IP- comparatively tight at FR.... u must be joking.

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No, I'm completely serious. This is Party, NL10. The games are loose. I have the PT stats.

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Thanks everyone for the posts. I ended up re-raising the flop all in and he folded. I knew afterwards that I made a mistake as I would most likely only be called by a hand that had me dominated.

I have 20k hands at $10 buy in on Party this month and the average VPIP is 21.3 and PF raise is 7.4 so I dont agree that the Party games are all that loose at this limit. If you filter the data for players with at least 50 hands and they only get tighter down to 19% VPIP

Specialwon · #6 06-30-2007, 05:07 AM

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30 VP$IP- comparatively tight at FR.... u must be joking.

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No, I'm completely serious. This is Party, NL10. The games are loose. I have the PT stats.

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Thanks everyone for the posts. I ended up re-raising the flop all in and he folded. I knew afterwards that I made a mistake as I would most likely only be called by a hand that had me dominated.

I have 20k hands at $10 buy in on Party this month and the average VPIP is 21.3 and PF raise is 7.4 so I dont agree that the Party games are all that loose at this limit. If you filter the data for players with at least 50 hands and they only get tighter down to 19% VPIP

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That is extremely weird. Over 13,500 hands for the same period I have average stats of 52.48/18.67. Regulars are 45/20. It's not that unusual to see players play every single hand until they bust out.

We must be parallel universes - what time of day do you play? I play mostly 7am-lunchtime CET. I don't play afternoons because the games are noticeably tighter.

SABR42 · #7 06-29-2007, 09:51 AM

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Check/fold this flop is best bet.

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LOL.

CalledDownLight · #8 06-29-2007, 02:50 PM

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Check/fold this flop is best bet.

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LOL.

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QFT

crunny · #9 06-29-2007, 10:23 AM

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Check/fold this flop is best bet.

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Dude c/f is insane! You realise that this player is capable of c-betting with much much more than AK, right?

c/c is the best line to take here.

King Spew · #10 06-29-2007, 10:36 AM

crunny.... against a tightie?

TBH, on FTP, I'm maybe reraising PF (depends on a better read) and LEADING for PSB or a little less.

To check call, you commiting to check/calling all the way home? It's a one pair hand. I want to decide it early against this villain on FTP. On Party, where this is a tightie.... I guess you are calling for what reason?