A8s

JJack · #1 06-28-2007, 06:39 AM

V: 23/9/0.9 - 315 hands

0.15/0.30 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.7 by www.pokerstrategy.cc.

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.15.
Hero calls, 4 folds, CO raises, BU folds, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls.

<ul type="square">Should I here believe I dont have the best hand and use outs and odds or call down ?
If i will use math I have only 3 outs (8) but my opponent rather dont have KK or QQ, right?
With 3 outs i have good pot odds to call flop and c/f UI turn.

BTW
What if at preflop wasnt any raise (only limpers)?
Should I then call 3bet' CO and call down OR even cap flop and take initiative to bet turn?[/list]Turn: (7.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

jack21221 · #2 06-28-2007, 07:17 AM

Fold preflop unless it's a riduclously loose and passive game. I might even fold the flop. This is almost impossible to play out of position, with a bettor on your right, and the preflop raiser still on your left. If you call, you get trapped for a raise going around, if you raise, you could be getting 3 bet by a better ace.

With no backdoor options, and a high possibility of being dominated, and out of position, I fold after the BB bets.

After you're already in it, the turn and river calls were fine, because the pot's getting pretty big. But, position is important, and in your position, you have no way of knowing where you are.

slicer65 · #3 06-28-2007, 08:08 AM

CO most likely has ak or aq. YOu have 3 clean outs putting your odds at 15:1. You have a pot of u 13 small bets. This is a fold.

JJack · #4 06-28-2007, 08:13 AM

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CO most likely has ak or aq. YOu have 3 clean outs putting your odds at 15:1. You have a pot of u 13 small bets. This is a fold.

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14SB [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] and expexted 16 or even 18 if opponent have AK or AQ and call river

slicer65 · #5 06-28-2007, 08:18 AM

I count 13 in the pot to make your call. And with his preflop and flop play you are very likely dominated. I fold here without pot odds.

KitCloudkicker · #6 06-28-2007, 08:25 AM

it is apparent to me in this hand that you played it without having a real plan of what do to if an ace hit, and without having good reads on the other players at the table.

this hand is quite good at loose passive tables; however, most online games are full of TAGS that will iso you all day when you are dominated, making this hand quite unprofitable from this position. until you get a better read on everyone at the table and can play it better postflop, i would fold this hand preflop everywhere but the CO and button.

Given that you played the hand, I see no reason to raise the flop. If CO has a hand like QQ/KK, then there is little value to the raise; similarly, if hes got AK/AQ, then you'll get 3 bet and end up paying more bets. I would call the BB's bet and see what the CO does. If the CO raises this is almost always AK/AQ and we can safely fold the turn UI. if the CO folds or calls I call down the BB's bets. i may consider raising the river if it is heads up at that point.

The only concern with not raising the flop is we let the SB in cheap; however, given the very dry board, it is unlikely that this flop hit all 3 of the other players anyway.

Xhad · #7 06-28-2007, 08:29 AM

I'd raise preflop. As played, I don't raise the flop. As played, I think folding to the flop 3bet is absurd but you have to realize you're good 0% of the time here.

JJack · #8 06-28-2007, 09:01 AM

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it is apparent to me in this hand that you played it without having a real plan of what do to if an ace hit, and without having good reads on the other players at the table.

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You right i didt have plan how to play if hit A. I have played it automated using Starting hand chart.

What i need to know about my opponents when i wanna play this hand from early/middle possition (I know that its not easy and direct reply to this ask probably)?

slicer65 · #9 06-28-2007, 09:11 AM

The way I see it you can play this hand two ways in this position.

1. On a loose passive table. You limp. Once you flop nut flush draw, bet to pump up the pot on the flop and then call the turn with pot odds.

2. You play this aggressive if you can push around the table. YOu really have to have a good tight table and this can be very tricky. Raise preflop and hope for one of the blinds to call. And then you can raise on position post-flop and reevaluate. If you get a cc or a raise you are most likely in a bad spot.

So the best time to play this hand is in a loose passive game.

Xhad · #10 06-28-2007, 11:36 AM

CO posted a blind which affects the preflop decision somewhat.