Bubble Play: Playing marginal edges

[_Towelie_]

I may be looking for an overly simplified answer to an inherently complex situation. If so just tell me.

I found myself asking this question after going over HHs a couple of days ago. Should we be willing to take any and all marginal edges when we're on the bubble? At gametime I encountered a couple of situations where I was thinking this looks like a marginal push/call in my favor but decided to opt for a better spot. Sure enough after doing the ICM calcs. after the session they were marginal edges in my favor (assuming my ranges were correct). So should we generally be willing to take any edge offered to us, or is there an argument for waiting for better edges?

[geo8o2]

a lot of the time on the bubble, i'd rather push knowing i'm 40% with fold equity, then call "thinking" i'm 60%. depends on the stack sizes and how short you are.

[Kevin8423]

Without knowing anything about how you play, I bet you need to push a lot more on the bubble that you do currently.

[_Towelie_]

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Without knowing anything about how you play, I bet you need to push a lot more on the bubble that you do currently.

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I can understand why you wouuld think that, but I don't think this is the case. I'm actually very agressive on the bubble and I think generally my late game play is pretty good (my winrate would concur).

I'm going to try to refine my question. There are times on the bubble when I know that pushing ATC works out to like a 1.5% ev advantage for me, and there are other times when it works out to like a 0.2% ev advantage for me. My question is should we be just as quick to push the slightest edges as we are with the bigger edges?

[Powers_That_Be]

I think the answer is fairly self-evident. If you push every marginal situation, you will perform marginally better, albeit with higher variance (as they are higher variance plays). Sticking with +.5% edge plays (which seems to about the norm here) will be marginally worse, but lower variance.

[_Towelie_]

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Sticking with +.5% edge plays (which seems to about the norm here) will be marginally worse, but lower variance.

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Thank you. This answers my question nicely.

[jukofyork]

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I think the answer is fairly self-evident. If you push every marginal situation, you will perform marginally better, albeit with higher variance (as they are higher variance plays). Sticking with +.5% edge plays (which seems to about the norm here) will be marginally worse, but lower variance.

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I don't thick that's correct (assuming you have an edge over your opponent's), as by risking an early bust you will be denying yourself potential future gains later in the SNG. It may turn out (by pure luck) that being able to wield a big-stack more effectively in the late game may cancel-out this effect, but I've not seen anybody come close to quantyfying this either way yet.

Also, it's not the EV gain of the push that matters; it's the chance you will bust (or cripple yourself). For a player with a significant advantage: taking a +0.05% push with only a 10% chance of being called may be more correct than making a +0.5% call when you are sure to bust if you lose.

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[AMT]

set the minimum edge in sngpt if you need too....in the lower buy ins having it set on .3 or .4 is reasonble IMO...the higher you go, the less of a min. edge you should have set.

in general, if youre passing up edges of .5% you're passing up too many edges. The higher you go, the less of an edge you can afford to pass up.

[CheeseMoney]

Most important is broadening the bb's range after you've pushed into him 2 hands in a row, unless you know he's a donkey foldbot.