MGM ruling

iceman5 · #1 06-26-2007, 03:56 AM

Someone tell me if this is the correct ruling.

I limp in MP and the ther are 2 other limps. A guy raises to $25 in the SB (2/5 game). I call, theres another call and then I look over and the raiser is showing his friend (who is on his right and in the hand) his cards.

Im not sure if his friend saw the cards or not because he threw his $25 in the pot just as I called out to the dealer that the guy was exposing his cards to a player.

The dealer calls the floor. As soon as he yesll "FLOOR!!", the moron shows the whole table his cards and he has QQ.
Rhe fllor arrives and the dealers tells him "he is accusing that guy of exposing his cards to another player still in the hand".

The floor asks the dealer if he saw it and he says No.

I ask the floor if his hand is dead and he says no. Since everyone knows what his cards are, we should play out the hand. I didnt argue since Im pretty sure I can outplay the idiot when I know what his cards are.

Was the floor correct or is his hand dead and the rest of us play out the hand?

Just for comedic value, Ill say that the idiot open pushed $500 into the $100 pot on a Jxx flop even though we all knew what he had. Obviously someone calls if they have him beat and folds other wise.

Gonso · #2 06-26-2007, 04:16 AM

Depends on the house -

I have seen a couple of occasions where the the hand was played, but the other player was not obligated to call any further raises (treated as all-ins).

In a multi-way pot this is a mess though.

daryn · #3 06-26-2007, 04:24 AM

exposed hand shouldn't be dead in a cash game, or in a tournament for that matter

Javanewt · #4 06-26-2007, 08:22 AM

daryn, what if the player showed it only to one player who was still in the hand? Should the other players just ask to see it, too, and expect to be able to?

Don Olney · #5 06-26-2007, 10:17 AM

IF a card or cards are exposed to a player, in the hand or not, during the play of the hand the card or cards should be exposed to the table.

chillrob · #6 06-26-2007, 10:23 AM

The guy is obviously an idiot, but it sounds like the situation was handled the best way possible. If he hadn't turned up his cards voluntarily I think they would have to make him turn them up for all players in the hand to see.

Mano · #7 06-26-2007, 01:50 PM

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IF a card or cards are exposed to a player, in the hand or not, during the play of the hand the card or cards should be exposed to the table.

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I disagree. If the hand is intentionally exposed to a player who is in the pot, then the hand should immediately be exposed to the table. If it is exposed to a player that is not in the hand, then it should not be exposed until the hand is played out, after which any player should be able to request to see the hand.

Gordon Scott · #8 06-26-2007, 09:19 AM

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exposed hand shouldn't be dead in a cash game, or in a tournament for that matter

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I don't disagree with the fact that your hand "SHOULDN'T" be dead, but in most tournaments I've played in the last few years if you show your hand it is as dead as fried chicken.

GA

LuckyTxGuy · #9 06-26-2007, 10:23 AM

Just a quick question that I was unsure of after reading the story. Was the player exposing his cards to a player still in the hand or just a buddy beside him who had already folded?

iceman5 · #10 06-26-2007, 09:47 PM

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Just a quick question that I was unsure of after reading the story. Was the player exposing his cards to a player still in the hand or just a buddy beside him who had already folded?

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He was showing his hand to his buddy who had limped and the action was just about to be on the buddy so basically he was showing his friend his hand as the friend was deciding if he should call or not.