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Old 06-24-2007, 04:36 PM
NoahL NoahL is offline
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Default When to Fold KK preflop?

Been in the room a while, everythign is standard, no loose plays. Then this hand happened out of the blue.

Am I giddy to push 200 bbs with KK? Or pussy out and fold?
Full Tilt Poker Game #2758220795: Table Snow Flat (6 max) - $5/$10 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:30:06 ET - 2007/06/24
Seat 1: danwrnr ($2,765.30)
Seat 2: donrumsfeld ($2,043)
Seat 4: blackmagic19 ($523.05)
Seat 5: ididalright ($885)
Seat 6: td8507 ($1,595)
donrumsfeld posts the small blind of $5
blackmagic19 posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to donrumsfeld [Kc Kd]
ididalright adds $115
ididalright folds
td8507 raises to $35
danwrnr folds
donrumsfeld raises to $115
blackmagic19 raises to $195
td8507 has 15 seconds left to act
td8507 raises to $700
donrumsfeld has 15 seconds left to act
donrumsfeld has requested TIME
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Old 06-24-2007, 04:38 PM
EverettKings EverettKings is offline
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Default Re: When to Fold KK preflop?

blackmagic is short, and td clearly wants to isolate with him. I'm more afraid of blackmagic having a hand than td, and assuming youve been 3betting with more than just KK/AA, td could be value isolating with AK, JJ, etc here and you have to stick it in for value vs him.

Which one showed you AA?
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Old 06-24-2007, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: When to Fold KK preflop?

Im pretty sure if there is a time to fold the cowboys online this is as close a scenario as any.
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Old 06-24-2007, 04:44 PM
EverettKings EverettKings is offline
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Default Re: When to Fold KK preflop?

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Im pretty sure if there is a time to fold the cowboys online this is as close a scenario as any.

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If blackmagic has $1500 in front of him then I agree, but not with 500.
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Old 06-24-2007, 04:46 PM
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Default Re: When to Fold KK preflop?

youre only 160 deep with td. and the 50bb stack min4betting isnt as much of a monster as youd think.
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Old 06-24-2007, 05:00 PM
the_dal_kid the_dal_kid is offline
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Default Re: When to Fold KK preflop?

Let it go. You really think he's fooling around 160 deep with a re-re-re-raise holding QQ/JJ? AK might be here too I suppose but that really feels more like a calling situation (to see what you do after).

Also, sidenote, if I were in td's spot holding AA I would just shove it here because it looks much weaker and looks a lot more like AK/QQ.
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Old 06-24-2007, 05:08 PM
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Default Re: When to Fold KK preflop?

I ended up folding, but was dismayed to see blackmagic have tens and Td QQ.

I'm really trying not to be results oriented, but I think this is the right fold. Every other time this situation arises the guy has AA.
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