taking a shot on a juicy table - big multiway pot

[yourface]

UTG appears to be kind of a nit 25/15/2 over 70 hands. his open limp is very likely a speculative hand. he's done it before but never got to sd

CO is why I'm at the table. 75/10/1 over 150 hands. calling station, super light peels, easy to induce bluffs from

SB is shaping up to be a standard LP

BB is a good reg LAGTAG player

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) yourface is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">yourface raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (10SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">yourface bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, CO calls, yourface calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (10BB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, CO calls, yourface calls, 2 folds.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (13BB, 3 players)
UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">yourface raises</font>

I was going to raise a safe turn

[gehrig]

call riv theres not much value in raising vs the idiot but u lose value vs the tag by raising

[Kobecarter]

3bet the flop and call the river

[kiddo]

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CO is why I'm at the table. 75/10/1 over 150 hands. calling station, super light peels, easy to induce bluffs from

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It looks like UTG flopped a set or a straight, either way I think he will have to call when u raise because he knows that u knows that the bad player is capable of betting here hoping noone got J (some, normally very loose, players do like to bet when the board is a made hand). But if u dont think UTG will call hoping for a split, calling is better, avoiding 3bet when behind, getting more when u split with bad player and getting same when u are ahead of both.

By the way, if I was raising this river, I would often wait 5-6 sec. pretending I was thinking, before doing it.

[Guy McSucker]

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By the way, if I was raising this river, I would often wait 5-6 sec. pretending I was thinking, before doing it.


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The number of people who pause... raise this river without at least a J in their hand is zero, so I think this is perhaps not such a smart plan.

Guy.

[surfdoc]

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By the way, if I was raising this river, I would often wait 5-6 sec. pretending I was thinking, before doing it.


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The number of people who pause... raise this river without at least a J in their hand is zero, so I think this is perhaps not such a smart plan.

Guy.

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Haha. Pause pause pause pause pause...Raise=monster in any game.

[mntbikr15]

I dont see how people like just calling the river....CO is obviously calling a raise but if UTG is as nitty as OP says he finds a fold here sometimes I think....and there IS the off chance that he calls two here hoping that your trying to get him off a three way chop.

[admiralfluff]

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I dont see how people like just calling the river....CO is obviously calling a raise but if UTG is as nitty as OP says he finds a fold here sometimes I think....and there IS the off chance that he calls two here hoping that your trying to get him off a three way chop.

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A nitty UTG will virtually never call 2 playing the board.

That being said, I think the river is close, but I call.

The flop decision is more important than the river decision, and I think it's a clear 3bet.

[kiddo]

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The number of people who pause... raise this river without at least a J in their hand is zero, so I think this is perhaps not such a smart plan.

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ok, u are probably right, but if u want to raise this river as a pure bluff, dont u have to think first? its a pretty complicated move.