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I wish someone had raised PF
With the aggro nature of the Commerce 20 games these days, I rarely find myself playing absolute crap hands because seeing a free from from the BB is so uncommon.
Anyway... An aggressive player who has some tricks up his sleeve open limps UTG. A reasonable, mediocre, slightly weird/shifty regular limps in MP2. A guy who I don't know very well but has been playing fairly snug (except the time he opened 66 in EP, flopped a set, and owned the BB) limps along on the button, and the SB (a fishy idiot) completes. I check my option in the BB with K2o. The flop is Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. The SB instinctively reaches for his stack but then checks. I check, and it gets checked around. The turn is the 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB checks, I bet (?), and I get 3 callers -- UTG, MP2, and button. The river is the T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I check (?), UTG checks, MP2 bets, button folds, and I can't tell if UTG is going to fold or not but I fold anyway. |
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Re: I wish someone had raised PF
I play it the same. I think the turn bet is close though- check/folding can't be too far wrong there.
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Re: I wish someone had raised PF
The only other line I could think of is to just bet the flop, especially if you would usually do this with a Q. The Q should make it hard for hands like 9T to call, you may get someone to fold a 3, and if anyone calls it's an easy check-fold on the turn with such a dry board.
Basically you save a SB bet when someone with a better hand (like a crappy 8) is going to call you but won't bet the flop, you lose a SB when you could have check-folded the flop (the better hand bets), and you may save yourself the whole pot those times that someone would have folded to your flop bet but catches something on the turn to call you down with. |
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Re: I wish someone had raised PF
You played it reasonably. The problem with leading with bottom pair into odd/tricky types is that they're most likely to make an odd/tricky move on the cheap street.
Once you see no flop action, your turn lead looks like you intended to check raise and tells a more compelling story. Since the turn lead still was met with interest, I'd tend to not put more money in this pot without improvement. You took a reasonable stab and didn't take it down. No sense in paying off. |
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Re: I wish someone had raised PF
I've made that same turn bet so many times that I can't count but I think I'm going to stop. Admittedly just going from what might be selective memory, it just doesn't seem to 'work' often enough to be a money-maker. I especially like to bet it when the board pairs and I get called every damn time and end up losing somehow.
Hmmm. This sounds more of a rant than advice. Anyway, that's my experience. I'm going to just check those turns and pray. |
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Re: I wish someone had raised PF
Too many players and too many draws for this to work most of the time. I like a check better.
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Re: I wish someone had raised PF
I bet this flop about 100% of the time.
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Re: I wish someone had raised PF
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I bet this flop about 100% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] What if the 3 is something other than a 3? Like specifically 6-J? |
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Re: I wish someone had raised PF
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[ QUOTE ] I bet this flop about 100% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] What if the 3 is something other than a 3? Like specifically 6-J? [/ QUOTE ] Depends somewhat on my image, the specific players, blah blah blah. Almost no way I bet a 9, T or J. 7-8 some small amount. 5-6 a little more than half. 3-4 always. |
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Re: I wish someone had raised PF
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[ QUOTE ] I bet this flop about 100% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] What if the 3 is something other than a 3? Like specifically 6-J? [/ QUOTE ] I personally would bet this flop very often with K2 on a Q72r,Q62r,Q52r,Q42r,Q32r. Even if I knew I had no folding equity, these are the kind of spots I love to mix it up in cuz I dont want people to think that a bet from me into a large field always means top pair or better. I want them to always be a little suspicious when I bet. I will also bet out with a gut shot very often on all those boards I mentioned that can have a gutshot draw for the same reason. |
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