Suggestions for Tourney Structures in Florida

[four2flush]

I thought it may be good to list some suggestions for desired tourney structures. I know there are a few Card Room managers, Dealers, Tourney Directors that monitor this site and may appreciate hearing from the players (LOL) as to what we would like to see in terms of:
Buy-ins
Rebuys
starting chip counts, etc.

I'll start by suggesting a 4 table (10 players per)
$75(tourney fee) Buyin with 1 rebuy up to the 3rd level.
T5000
Blinds 100/200
15 minute levels
blind dble each level
Ante 100 at 1000/2000 level Ante dbles each level
Payout top 4 or 5 depending on rebuys
Could start at 6:00 and be done before midnight

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B&M?

[Tofu_boy]

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B&M?

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Yeah.

[Fishhead24]

They need 45 minute structres at the very least and nothing more than an 11% rake!!!

LONGER STRUCTURES and LESS RAKE!!

[Fishhead24]

Each place should plan on having at least ONE big tourney per week/month.

Again, with very good structures, decent stacks, and nothing more than an 11% rake!

[jasonfish11]

Fish most these places are only open 12 hours. 45 min blinds would take 9 hours or more. Most of them go to the 5000-100000 level when you are at the final table (many of the times more). That would take 9 hours to get to that level (not counting breaks). I think 30 min would be the longest they could feasible do. Unless the starting stack was 2500 or so. I would rather have longer blind levels because I think I can outplay 70% of the people in these rooms but I just dont think it is doable for these tracks.

[CybrPunk]

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I'll start by suggesting a 4 table (10 players per)
$75(tourney fee) Buyin with 1 rebuy up to the 3rd level.
T5000
Blinds 100/200
15 minute levels
blind dble each level
Ante 100 at 1000/2000 level Ante dbles each level
Payout top 4 or 5 depending on rebuys
Could start at 6:00 and be done before midnight

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From a business perspective this would be horrible.

This would require a team of 4 dealers always be available which would decrease the hourly rate of the dealers and would be a poor use of staff. In addition, why would any business want to limit it's income to just 40 players when they could easily fill up more tables with players who are willing to spend money on rake and food/beverage.

Don't look to see things common in online rooms replicated in a live environment. You're not likely to see multi-table SNGs beyond, perhaps, 2 table games... and I think even those are a stretch. There are certain types of games that online rooms can offer easily that you won't often see replicated in a live environment where the cost/proper use of labor and bottom lines are a major factor.

[four2flush]

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From a business perspective this would be horrible.

This would require a team of 4 dealers always be available which would decrease the hourly rate of the dealers and would be a poor use of staff. In addition, why would any business want to limit it's income to just 40 players when they could easily fill up more tables with players who are willing to spend money on rake and food/beverage.

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Are there more Card rooms that dedicate dealers to the tourneys?
I have been to 3 on the East Coast and only 1 uses that practice. The others just keep the tourney tables in a dealers rotation and they sign into the table and get a % of the tip out.
It seems to me that keeping dedicated dealers IS a waste of labor and screws the tip out ratio slightly.

A suggestion for any TD's observing this forum:
Publish your tourney structures in advance of the touneys. It is VERY frustrating when nobody knows exactly for sure which structure will be in place for a given event. IT DOES MATTER to those who consider the structures before they buy into an event.

[TPA_PKR_TOURNEYS]

OK Fishhead and all others- here is the structure for our single table tournaments and weekend MTT's...

SNG's will be offered with the following details:

SNG 1 $65 BUYIN= $250 1ST, $150 2ND, $100 3RD. 10 PLAYERS,
1500 CHIPS, 10 MINUTE BLINDS....THIS IS OUR TURBO.
23% RAKE.

SNG 2 $115 BUYIN=$500 1ST, $300 2ND, $200 3RD. 10 PLAYERS
2000 CHIPS, 15 MINUTE BLINDS 13% RAKE

SNG 3 $220 BUYIN= $1000 1ST,$600 2ND,$400 3RD. 10 PLAYERS
2500 CHIPS, 15 MINUTE BLINDS---9% RAKE- Grinders best
play IMHO...if Roll allows--- level of play plus
under 10% rake makes for +EV here

SNG 4 $325 BUYIN= $1500 1ST,$900 2ND,$600 3RD. 10 PLAYERS
2500 CHIPS, 15 MINUTE BLINDS---7.7% RAKE- another
nice play for 20 to 50 buyin rolls.

SNG 5 $530 BUYIN= $2500 1ST,$1500 2ND,$1000 3RD. 10 PLAYERS
3000 CHIPS, 15 MINUTE BLINDS---5.66% RAKE- If roll
allows, the best play to mathematically beat the game
and maximize your ROI over large sample size...

SO THE AVERAGE RAKE FOR THESE 5 SNG'S IS 11.67%. NO HIDDEN JACKPOT MONEY TAKEN FROM THE SNG'S AS PLAYERS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR JACKPOTS IN SNG'S.

HERE are the weekend tourneys...
SUNDAY-OUR GRAND OPENING HOURS OF OPERATION 11:00-11:00 PM- TOURNEY STARTS AT 1:00.
$120 BUYIN, 4000 CHIPS, 20 MINUTE LEVELS, 17 LEVELS.
25/50, 50/100, 75/150, 100/200 25 ANTE, 200/400, 25 ANTE, 300/600 75 ANTE, 500/1000 100 ANTE, 1000/2000 200 ANTE, 1500/3000 300 ANTE, 2000/4000 400 ANTE, 3000/6000 500 ANTE, 4000/8000 1000 ANTE, 6000/12000 1500 ANTE, 8000/16000 2000 ANTE, 10000/20000 3000 ANTE, 15000/30000 4000 ANTE. LATE REGISTRATION UP TO THE END OF LEVEL 1***

OUR SATURDAY EVENTS WILL BE AT 1:00 PM- we will have $65 sats for this toruney that award seats and cash to top 2 players. Here are the details:
$225 BUYIN, 5000 CHIPS AND 30 MINUTE BLINDS- 18 LEVELS-
LEVELS THE SAME AS ABOVE EXCEPT AN EXTRA LEVEL AT 150/300 25 ANTE. 11.11% RAKE- goal is to get first place into 5 figures .

Their is too much to type for the weekday stuff- but it will consist of rebuy tourneys, 1 being a bounty and a pm tourney in the $100 range with 15% rake. Once again, we will be ready to listen to our players and tweak things based on feedback. Please PM me with any specific questions. Complimentary soda, coffee and very reasonable drinks. Player of the month will be tracked for MTT players. Trophies and other awards go to POM and POY. We are working on players free buffet for dinner hours. Please reply with any and all suggestion as I will be on the site often and can relay the feedback directly to the cardroom manager. Please introduce yourselves when you visit the room. We want to know our customers and we want your constructive criticism that is thought out and helpful! It is vital to our success and your success as well. Thanks a lot-

Jason B
Single Table Tournament Supervisor
Lucky's Card Room
Tampa Greyhound
8300 N. Nebraska Avenue
Tampa, FL

[StrayBullet]

I just want to say thanks for taking the time to participate here! I base my local play on the best value and am looking forward to checking out your room when I get back from Vegas [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]