$200 NL | Butchered two pair has to make a river decesion.

[Rolon]

Villain is 17/7/7.0 over 55 hands and is capable of making a move. 3-bet flop, bet turn, blah blah blah. I was 90% sure he was going to bet turn (He was 7.0!) but of course I still should have 3-bet flop. Assuming you made this bad play, and you have a very loose image as I do,whats your play on the river? I'm only looking for input on the river decision...I'm fine with flop and turn. Thanks.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $67.25
BB: $29.00
UTG: $281.75
Hero (CO): $228.15
BTN: $250.95

Preflop: Hero is dealt 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.00</font>, BTN calls $6.00, 2 folds

Flop: ($15) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $28.00</font>, Hero calls $18.00

Turn: ($71) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($71) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $52.00</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $123.00 ($2 Rake)

[2cards2come]

I'd have let it go too. $52.00 looks like hes begging to get paid off IMO. Not much you can do after that river card.

[checkit888]

I just started playing no limit, so take my opinion for whats its worth.

But after you showing weakness on the turn and river, BTN bets hoping to take the pot.

Coming from a limit background, I would have paid him off, or shoved my stack. Since he didn't raise you PF, what could he call you with? Certainly not pocket KK, QQ. Maybe flush draw.

I probably would have bet the river, and fold if reraised to.

Again, i'm very new at no limit, so I probalby have no idea what i'm talking about.

[Rolon]

I don't want to make too many threads so I'll just make the Rolon's tough decisions thread. What do you make of this hand? Villain is 18/15/3.4 and I'm not sure if he is able to make a move but he is a thinking player so he very well could be.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $435.95
BB: $230.90
UTG: $234.40
MP: $198.00
CO: $237.00
Hero (BTN): $382.75

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $2.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, SB calls $9.00, BB folds, CO calls $8.00

Flop: ($32) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($32) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $20.00</font>, SB calls $20.00, CO folds

River: ($72) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $50.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $150.00</font>, Hero calls $100.00

Pot Size: $372.00 ($3 Rake)

[tannenj]

hand 1: you said it, but the flop play is terrible; it's so bad i almost don't want to look at the rest of the hand. but given the flop play, i play turn and river the same. i check turn hoping to cr, then i cf river because i doubt a 17/7 is good enough to value bet a hand you're beating here.

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Coming from a limit background, I would have paid him off, or shoved my stack.

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check-calling river is probably not good. shoving is a huge mistake and you'll be a losing player if you do stuff like that.

hand 2: again, you [censored] up the flop. there is absolutely no reason to check here. you should be betting with a plan to bet turn and river too. turn and river are played well.

[Fletcher19]

hand 1: bet the turn, 55 hands is absolutely nowhere near a large enough sample for aggression factor

hand 2: bet the flop, as played the river is probably a fold, your average 18/15 is not pulling c/r river bluffs like this and it is very unlikely he is doing it with an inferior hand (a 10 maybe)

[fees]

100% fold, flush/bigger TP are there and this will rarely end up ina bluff, he has FD here vast majority of time, you OBV 3 bet..