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2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
hey all,
I thought I was getting value and then this happened. Looks like I am getting 4:1 on the river, but is he ever bluffing here? Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) MP ($213.35) CO ($449.30) Button ($210) SB ($115.20) BB ($262.95) Hero ($200.80) Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $7, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>. Flop: ($17) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $8</font>, Hero calls $8. Turn: ($33) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $25</font>, CO calls $25. River: ($83) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $73</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $146</font>, Hero Final Pot: $302 |
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Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
standard call given your odds and spot . check call river if you're worried about the nuts.
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Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
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standard call given your odds and spot . check call river if you're worried about the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] Easy fold, I think. You think he calls the flop without the Ace, then calls the turn without the ace just to bluff the river? 4:1 isn't very good odds when your opponent has the Ace 90% of the time, and is an idiot 10% of the time. |
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Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
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standard call given your odds and spot . check call river if you're worried about the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] this advice is pretty bad. River is a clear fold no one bluff raises 4 flush boards. C/C river isnt so great because all better hands will bet while all worse hand will check, besides the occasional diamondless bluff. I would bet less on the river, like half pottish, to entice a call from any diamond, maybe even 2 pair. People love to call. (esp me) |
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Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
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[ QUOTE ] standard call given your odds and spot . check call river if you're worried about the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] this advice is pretty bad. River is a clear fold no one bluff raises 4 flush boards. C/C river isnt so great because all better hands will bet while all worse hand will check, besides the occasional diamondless bluff. I would bet less on the river, like half pottish, to entice a call from any diamond, maybe even 2 pair. People love to call. (esp me) [/ QUOTE ] Thank you. I was betting as much as I thought the Jd would call. I dont think theres anyway hes bluffing enough for me to call. |
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Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
Why dont you bet the flop?
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Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
I felt a check was fine because worse hands fold, but may bluff. Better hands call or raise. I am OOP and slightly uncomfortable building a big pot. Not too much of the deck will hurt my equity.
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Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
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[ QUOTE ] standard call given your odds and spot . check call river if you're worried about the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] this advice is pretty bad. River is a clear fold no one bluff raises 4 flush boards. C/C river isnt so great because all better hands will bet while all worse hand will check, besides the occasional diamondless bluff. I would bet less on the river, like half pottish, to entice a call from any diamond, maybe even 2 pair. People love to call. (esp me) [/ QUOTE ] i disagree. min raise on river doesn't feel like nut flush to me. i would def. 3 bet river with nut flush in hopes of inducing a call with second nuts, in this case our hero. min raise on river in this spot is too suspicious. furthermore if we decide to bet the river rather than c/c, how can we justify folding to a min raise with those kind of odds? hence if we play the hand out this way, this is a standard call. |
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Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
well obv i wasnt worried until the minraise
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Re: 2nd Nut Flush getting 4:1
Bet less on the river, you will get called lighter.
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