Let's Practice PF (Expanded PF Range and Analysis)

[Zeldark]

I've realized that getting used to multitabling (again) and polishing up PF should be my highest poker priorities. Since I can't really ask multitabling techniques, here is some PF content. I guess this classifies best as a sanity check.

Since PF changes like this are compounded on all streets, comments on all streets welcome. Yeah, the action is on the low side.

Reads: My PT hadn't kicked in yet but my impression of him at the time was that he was on the loose side.

PokerStars Low Stakes Let's Practice Multitabling Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

River: (6.20 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 8.20 BB

[larm]

i would not play qjs utg +1, but i am a noob. Rather i would play it from mp2 and better position.

[nerdking]

I know why I'd raise this UTG, why did you?

[Zeldark]

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I know why I'd raise this UTG+1, why did you?

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<ul type="square">[*]It's a freakin group THREE hand![*]It wasn't raised before me [*]I am comfortable with my postflop play vs these opponents. [*]It seemed like a raise or fold hand.[*]I didn't want to fold it .[*]It looked pretty and connected and color coordinated.[*]These are low stakes so I can comfortably practice very major changes to my game and not don't flip out practicing at the normal level.[*]I wanted more bets in my stack.[/list]
Goot?

[nerdking]

let's talk table conditions. what was going on?

[Zeldark]

This is 24 hands into the session.
Some people are multitabling.
No one has particularly impressed or lost much respect to stand out for the stakes.

[Guitierez]

I limp with QJs from EP, because

- I want customers who pay my flush or straight off

- If I raise, only dominating hands (AQ, AJ, KQ) will coldcall, the ones I'm behind against (QQ+, AK) will 3bang me

-I don't want this HU, b/c I have no SD value and no TP potential due to lacking hi-card strength

IMO QJs is the example of a hand that plays best multiway.

[Montrealcorp]

I limp with QJs from EP, because

- I want customers who pay my flush or straight off

- If I raise, only dominating hands (AQ, AJ, KQ) will coldcall, the ones I'm behind against (QQ+, AK) will 3bang me

-I don't want this HU, b/c I have no SD value and no TP potential due to lacking hi-card strength

IMO QJs is the example of a hand that plays best multiway.

AMEN..

slightly another point: if u have weak players behind u,u want them to call,if u raise they might get scared and wont call a raise

[bravos1]

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- If I raise, only dominating hands (AQ, AJ, KQ) will coldcall, the ones I'm behind against (QQ+, AK) will 3bang me

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This is not true! DUCY? How many times do you get cracked by someone cold calling w/ QT or JT? Happens all the friggin time!

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-I don't want this HU, b/c I have no SD value and no TP potential due to lacking hi-card strength

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What??? QJs plays fine HU, but you need to qualify this. Playing HU vs LP is different than playing vs BB. Do you raise this if folded to you in the hi-jack? CO? Button? SB? In BB when SB completes and it the only other opponent? The answer should be the same (YES!) to all of them.

What if it is 4 limpers to you on the button?
4 limpers to you and you have this in the SB? BB?
These should also be raises.

Raising is fine, limping is fine, folding is probably bad at this table... so I would rank as following:

limp~raise&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;fold

The only thing that is against us is that we are first to act and will potentially blow out people we want in the hand.

Just remember.... just because we raised PF does not mean we always need to bet the flop, or even play our hand past the flop.

[Xhad]

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It seemed like a raise or fold hand.

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My least favorite phrase in the micros strikes again!

Seriously...this could not be further from the truth in a loose game. If you are in a tight game such that opening in UTG1 really is raise-or-fold, then you should be folding. Raising is only appropriate this early if you're almost positive you'll get a parade of coldcalls, often with trash.