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06-20-2007, 07:51 PM
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Really weird lower stakes live hand. Still confused about it.
So I was playing a 5/10 live game at caesars. The game was really good because there was a drunk guy who kept losing his chips then going out to roulette, putting it all on red, and coming back with his winnings. Anyway he left and im about to leave in about an hour later. I have been playing pretty well, and had an all in bluff on the river that was shown after he folded. A lot of the table doesn't want to play hands with me. Its now 7 handed.
Villain in this hand is a young kid who was friends with two guys who were already in the game. He came with a rack of 5 dollar chips, so i figured this was a step up in limits after a lower game broke. This was confirmed because 7 handed he didnt play a hand for 4 straight orbits. He has about 2000 to start the hand and I cover. I pick up a pocket pair in MP. After two limpers I make it 60. 6 people in total call, including villain who is in the small blind. Flop is 5 5 5. So scared villain leads out the size of the pot. He has about 1600 behind or something. Folded to me and I call. Turn is the 2c, so the board is 5h 5d 5s 2c. There is about 700 in the pot at most. He immediately goes all in for 1600. What range do you put him on and what is the lowest pocket pair you call him with here. I sat for 2 minutes and couldn't think of a hand he could have. Really weird hand. I am also almost positive this is never a bluff and always for value from him. 
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#3
06-20-2007, 08:07 PM
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Re: Really weird lower stakes live hand. Still confused about it.
The thing that got me, was that 6 handed, a scared player is not going to slowplay AA or KK or something preflop. So he really can have like QQ at best. Then though, if he is just calling QQ preflop, its probably because hes scared to play a big pot, so then why would he just open shove once this flop and turn hit?? A hand hadn't confused me this much in a long time. I feel like it trapped me into just looking at my hand and not being able to even start to put him on a range, which made me not like the hand at all so I folded.
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#4
06-20-2007, 08:38 PM
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Re: Really weird lower stakes live hand. Still confused about it.
Weird. I think I'd call with QQ+. Sometimes people get nervous and just do stupid crazy [censored] when they are playing higher than usual and in a somewhat unusual spot. I wouldn't be completely surprised if he had 77 and thought he was "protecting his hand" as so many live players like to say.
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#7
06-20-2007, 08:49 PM
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Re: Really weird lower stakes live hand. Still confused about it.
[ QUOTE ]
The thing that got me, was that 6 handed, a scared player is not going to slowplay AA or KK or something preflop. So he really can have like QQ at best. Then though, if he is just calling QQ preflop, its probably because hes scared to play a big pot, so then why would he just open shove once this flop and turn hit?? A hand hadn't confused me this much in a long time. I feel like it trapped me into just looking at my hand and not being able to even start to put him on a range, which made me not like the hand at all so I folded. [/ QUOTE ] My guess is he was probably thinking he doesn't want to reraise a hand like JJ, QQ (maybe KK) and then see an ace flop and not know what to do, or being scared of being outplayed on a scary board. Once he saw a flop like this, he just decided if you have a better hand than him, whatever, he's going all the way with it. Given that you said he seems to be playing scared, I'd be surprised to see worse than 1010, and I'm not sure I'd call with JJ. QQ+ I'd call.
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#8
06-20-2007, 09:01 PM
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Re: Really weird lower stakes live hand. Still confused about it.
He's gotta have QQ-99, with it HEAVILY weighted towards jacks and tens, and only slightly with the outliers.
I would probably call with JJ and make a wise ass comment if I was no good, call with QQ quickly and happily, and call with tens only if I was tilted.
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#9
06-21-2007, 04:34 PM
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sup Irock
What's up Irock...
Online, I call with 10-10+, live, QQ+. I expect a pair 9-9 or lower about 50%, QQ or KK about 20%, AK/AQ about 15% and a 5 the rest. A fold can't be wrong with 10-10, either, I'm just using that as a cut-off point. Peace...
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#10
06-21-2007, 06:37 PM
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Re: sup Irock
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I agree. If he had a 5, he knows he has the nuts, and there's no reason to go allin here. He should bet the pot, or a little over trying to get you to call with your pair or to get you to draw with AK or AQ and then create a 2300 pot on the river and go allin for his last ~850 and have you call for pot odds. Going allin here is silly if he has a 5. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, no one plays quads this was, which makes it a decent play against a bad, but still thinking, opponent.
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