Calldown against two

[fmsr]

CO and SB are both relatively loose raisers, both raising more than 25% of their hands. Should I fold this preflop? Should I cap if I decide to play? Should I fold when the Q falls on the turn? I was lost in this hand, so I called it down.

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.5SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.75BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, CO folds.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 9.75BB

[secretprankster]

Raise flop given preflop but I would cap preflop basically 100% here.

[mjkidd]

If they're both loose raisers, you should cap preflop here. Folding isn't an option, even against two solid players. You probably have an equity advantage against two solid raisers here, but I usually won't cap here against two solid players, for two reasons. First, just calling give information about CO's hand. If he caps, he's likely to have a bigger pair or AK, and you need to proceed with caution (while being aware that some good players are capable of capping with medium suited connectors, like JTs). Secondly, while TT tends to have an equity advantage over two solid raiser's hands, it can be difficult to play postflop once 1-2 overcards flop. So, I would cap here, but I think calling is OK.

This flop is perfect for you. CO probably has 2 overcards to your pair (you can be sure he would have 3-bet with JJ-AA). You need to raise the flop to force the CO out.

Anyway, as played on the turn, not only do you need to call down, I think you should raise. You need to be a lot more aggressive in spots like this.

[sharpie]

What's up with the uber-passiveness multiway trend lately?

[TheOffice]

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What's up with the uber-passiveness multiway trend lately?

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Donks don't have 50+% WTS these days?

There's always more than one way to play a hand, there might just be an advantage to some variants which aren't regarded as good 2+2'er standard.

OTOH this hand is really played too passively postflop. Must protect ongoing from the nice flop for tens.

[numbnuts007]

I think it's pretty close between a cap and call preflop but i'm leaning toward a cap.

In either case, on the flop you've got to raise if you're bet into like this. You're tens are very vulnerable and you've got to knock out as many overcards as possible.

If SB keeps the aggression up after that i'm calling down and not giving any free cards.

[Oink]

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I think it's pretty close between a cap and call

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[danzasmack]

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I think it's pretty close between a cap and call

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The only argument for call is so we can face the idiot behind us with 2 cold on the flop 100% and clean up like 6 outs.

Not saying that's the best move, I cap and don't like the call. You have 2 idiots raising each other and pocket tens. You can not fold here anywhere that is a bad question. The question is where can you raise. PF/Flop are the clear answers.

[numbnuts007]

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The only argument for call is so we can face the idiot behind us with 2 cold on the flop 100% and clean up like 6 outs.

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I think there is definetly something to be said for this, but the more I think about it the more i like a cap.

[PokerSparky]

I actually like just calling preflop with the intention of raising a good flop. This was a good flop.