2500 6max

mastr · #1 06-19-2007, 12:20 AM

I'm very curious about what you guys think the play is here.

25-50 blinds
UTG is down to 625 chips having literally lost the rest of his 5k stack the hand before. He is definately tilting and just shoves it in. He honestly may not have even looked at his hand, but he def might have.

Small Blind is in his 50's, def bad at poker def jolly and not tricky. He says "ok i'll gamble with you, i'll help you out" and calls. He has around 7k in his stack

What hand in the big blind do we need to shove our 5k stack

ike · #2 06-19-2007, 01:16 AM

I'd push about A8/KJ/66 or better.

NYWalker · #3 06-19-2007, 01:22 AM

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Very interesting spot! I've done it once at LAPC ME Day 2 at similar spot with 99. People sometimes don't realize what they say at the table is meaningful to others.

raptor517 · #4 06-20-2007, 04:44 AM

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srsly?

Ship Ship McGipp · #5 06-20-2007, 06:19 AM

AJ maybe AT but def KQ 88 or better, it's 6m, someties two sevens

raptor517 · #6 06-20-2007, 02:59 PM

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i think this is pretty silly.

Pudge714 · #7 06-20-2007, 03:37 PM

Why do people seem to think are only options are shove or fold here?
It seems like the coldcallers range is pretty polarized it can have stuff like 76s in it or be exclusively KK+. I would never shove here. I would either call or three bet to 1.5 or 2k.

THEOSU · #8 06-19-2007, 05:23 AM

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I'm very curious about what you guys think the play is here.

25-50 blinds
UTG is down to 625 chips having literally lost the rest of his 5k stack the hand before. He is definately tilting and just shoves it in. He honestly may not have even looked at his hand, but he def might have.

Small Blind is in his 50's, def bad at poker def jolly and not tricky. He says "ok i'll gamble with you, i'll help you out" and calls. He has around 7k in his stack

What hand in the big blind do we need to shove our 5k stack

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the small blind ALWAYS has a huge hand here. I mean, I need aces or kings to push in this spot.

Cornell Fiji · #9 06-19-2007, 05:32 AM

I lean more toward OSU's range than ike's.

AK is nice because SB is making that call with AJ/AQ. Bad old guys are typically not calling (and giving that speech) with AT- though in my somewhat limited live experience. He is definitely calling with any pair and he probably wouldn't think to iso with mid pairs so I guess that makes AQ stronger for us and we should probably procede with 99+ also.

AQ+/99+ is my range to continue and I am isoshoving with AQ+ /KK+ and calling with 99-QQ... meh, I guess I shove with AJ too as the old guy will fold a lot of small-mid pairs to us.

T_Mac · #10 06-19-2007, 05:42 AM

Old guy definitely has a good hand, but old guys like this won't stack off this early without a really premium hand, and he'd have to be a rare old guy to make that comment with AA. I can see pushing as a +EV play with any pair and with a lot of strong unpaired hands, but personally I would not take the risk to push this early because I'd feel I have a strong edge over my opponents. That's just me though.