NL 100 overpair vs bizzare overbet

[That Foreign Guy]

Hero - $104
Villain - $88
Random Shorty - $19

Villain posts $0.50
Hero posts $1
Dealt to Hero Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Shorty folds
Villain Calls $0.50
Hero raises $2
Villain Calls $2

Flop (Pot = $6) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villain checks
Hero bets $5
Villain Raises $88

Hero WTF???

No reads, only about three hands on villain (pretty standard raise fold HU stuff). This site does offer an allin button next the raise button, so this could be a misclick, but still...

FWIW - I think for less money I call in a heartbeat, without the knowledge that there is an allin button (which can be turned off in options) I fold in a heartbeat.

[Nick Royale]

I misclick once every 10k hands, and most often they come in forms of min-raises preflop. I've never ever misclicked postflop in a raised pot. Thinking the risk of this being a misclick turns it from a "fold in a heartbeat" to a close decision is obviously silly. I call this btw.

[tuuufts]

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I misclick once every 10k hands, and most often they come in forms of min-raises preflop. I've never ever misclicked postflop in a raised pot. Thinking the risk of this being a misclick turns it from a "fold in a heartbeat" to a close decision is obviously silly. I call this btw.

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What? Who ever said this was a fold in a heartbeat?

[jakeduke]

I call. AJ is possible, as are qt/t8/millions of flush draws and other 1 pair and bluff hands. Even if he has T8hh for a combo draw as a coinflip you have redraw outs if he hits his flush on the turn.

[1gotth3nuts]

never min bet preflop - it gets u into situations where u dont know where ur at.

[Nick Royale]

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I misclick once every 10k hands, and most often they come in forms of min-raises preflop. I've never ever misclicked postflop in a raised pot. Thinking the risk of this being a misclick turns it from a "fold in a heartbeat" to a close decision is obviously silly. I call this btw.

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What? Who ever said this was a fold in a heartbeat?

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OP. On the other hand, huge overbet all-in are pretty rare too, so I guess the misclick theory has at least some value after all.

[That Foreign Guy]

It wasn't quite a minbet preflop it was $2 into a $2 pot.

Ok, against the range KK+,JJ,99,44,AhKh,AJ,QT,J9,Th8h, QQ is
~42%

Expand it to KK+,JJ,99,44,AhKh,AJs,AhTh,QTs,J9s,T8s,AJo,Ah9s,QT o,J9o,T8o and it's basically a coinflip (50.4 to 49.6)

Expand further to
KK+,JJ,99,44,AhKh,AJs,AhTh,A9s,KJs,QTs,J9s+,T8s,AJ o,A9o,KJo,QTo,J9o+,T8o

and it starts being 60-40 but I just don't think villain's range is that wide here, even HU and even with some allowance for him being a moron.

If it wasn't for knowing the site offers an ALL IN button (as a fourth option to the right of raise) I wouldn't consider the misclick option.

I guess the question is without reads how stupid do you assume your opponents are?

[Hince]

Call. I really doubt you are against a higher overpair or better very often. If you are it's a cooler, that's it.

[NSM]

I'd call here. I think most likely he has a very good draw or AJ. I'd be shocked if you weren't in the lead. How is he betting for value if he has anything you are far behind? Even if he's scared of the flush, he's not shoving IMO.

[bilbo-san]

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It wasn't quite a minbet preflop it was $2 into a $2 pot.


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It was the minimum possible raise amount -- the term "minbet" has nothing to do with pot odds.

By the way -- whoever said "never minbet" because it gets you into spots like this is dead wrong.

If I knew min-betting would cause things like this to happen I'd min-bet every [censored] time I raised.

Easy call, btw.