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Old 06-17-2007, 10:10 PM
JP OSU JP OSU is offline
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Default QQ 2nd day of 1500 nl...

It's the second day of event 3 and we have like 90 or so players left, the average stack is around 100k...

The villain in this hand is Eric Baldwin, aka basebaldy... we played a hand a couple hours earlier where I 4 bet shoved with T9o and showed him (dumb i know)... We are by far the most aggressive and best players at the table... beginning the hand I have ~200k and he has ~175k... Blinds are 2k-4k w/ 500 ante

I open in mp to 14k w/ Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and he smooth calls on the button... Flop is 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]... I lead 21k and he raises to 71k... I????
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:32 PM
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Default Re: QQ 2nd day of 1500 nl...

seems like an easy shove based on your description
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:04 PM
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Default Re: QQ 2nd day of 1500 nl...

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seems like an easy shove based on your description

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Old 06-17-2007, 11:20 PM
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Default Re: QQ 2nd day of 1500 nl...

i used to show my cards live, but it burns so much of ya plays away and totally distorts the way people play back at ya. id shove
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Old 06-18-2007, 01:25 AM
JP OSU JP OSU is offline
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Default Re: QQ 2nd day of 1500 nl...

So are you guys shoving A9?? A8??
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Old 06-18-2007, 02:10 AM
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Default Re: QQ 2nd day of 1500 nl...

i sure am not folding an overpair 40BB deep when i have an image of an aggressive player capable of running a big bluff...


edit: i'm not sure what you're questioning here. i mean, if you want to call and get it in on any turn, i guess that's fine, too. but i just prefer shoving in this spot because there are enough cards that come on the turn that could cause him to stop.
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Old 06-19-2007, 03:30 AM
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Default Re: QQ 2nd day of 1500 nl...

Wow do not fold. There are not that many reasons other than you are 40bb's deep, you have an aggressive image, and this player is capable of making a move. If you are beat, you are beat. You have a long way to go until you make any real money and it's not time to conserve that stack.
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Old 06-21-2007, 12:53 PM
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Default Re: QQ 2nd day of 1500 nl...

Can't fold this... he could have any sort of draw; I also think based on your previous hand, he might be smooth calling with a set; if he thinks you are that aggressive, why is he trying to make you fold when he has a monster? I insta shove and try to beat his AsJs for a huge stack
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Old 06-22-2007, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: QQ 2nd day of 1500 nl...

I dont see why you keep asking what people would do with A9 here? That is a completely different situation. If you have A9, it is reasonable for villain to now hold TT-QQ. If he has TJ, you have to fade so many cards to win.

As it is, you beat TT-JJ, A9, 67, TJ, Axs, 9T and lose to AA, KK, 99, 88, 89.

The only way im folding here is:
1. I rarely cbet any flop
2. I am perceived as VERY tight
3. My opponent is not capable of raising here as a semibluff

Somehow I dont think those 3 criteria are met here. I think laying down A9 is much more understandable than laying down QQ.
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Old 06-22-2007, 10:56 PM
dboivin17 dboivin17 is offline
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Default Re: QQ 2nd day of 1500 nl...

what ever u do do not fold, a shove is not a bad move, hes not calling u without a set and if he has one gg anyway
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