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Old 02-21-2006, 04:57 PM
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i was fairly lost on this turn.


full 2k party game. villian is benkot. i didnt have PT or PV up and running, so i couldnt remember his stats, but i seem to remember him being too loose.

i have raised his limps a few times already, mostly taking it down on the flop when it was just HU. i havent got out of line with any hands that have seen showdowns at the table.

he has 2.2k and i cover.

he raises to 60 utg, i call JJ in mp. the button calls as does the BB.

flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

bb chks, benkot bets $92.45, i make it $375. button and bb fold and he thinks a while and calls.

i think he has an overpair some of the time, and spades the rest of the time. im pretty sure he 3 bets anything better than 2pair OOP.

turn: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

pot is about $1k, and eff stack has about 1750 left.

what's my play here?

thanks

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Old 02-21-2006, 05:01 PM
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Default Re: turn options on a weird board.

he checked the turn, sry.
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Old 02-21-2006, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: turn options on a weird board.

Flawless told me at Commerce "When in doubt, put all the money in the middle." How bad of a play is that in this case?
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Old 02-21-2006, 05:03 PM
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Default Re: turn options on a weird board.

easy, easy pot.
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Old 02-21-2006, 07:41 PM
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Default Re: turn options on a weird board.

LA,

Can you please elaborate on why you think this is an easy turn pot? Given the raiser's hand range I can only assume you are doing this for fold equity vs better hands and to force the flush draws out. Also, is this your plan only because you think the odds of a check/raise is so low given that he would have put more action in with a set/made straight on the flop?

FSU, correct me if I'm wrong but benkot is very loose preflop but not aggro at all, right?
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Old 02-21-2006, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: turn options on a weird board.

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easy, easy pot.

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What are the advantages of potting it over pushing?
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Old 02-21-2006, 07:53 PM
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Default Re: turn options on a weird board.

potting looks more like a real hand. pushing raises the suspicion factor to a degree that AA/KK will more likely be able to muster the balls make a call. if i had a set or the nuts here i would often push for this reason. (i realize this is exploitable, but not by that many players).
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Old 02-21-2006, 08:11 PM
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Default Re: turn options on a weird board.

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potting looks more like a real hand. pushing raises the suspicion factor to a degree that AA/KK will more likely be able to muster the balls make a call. if i had a set or the nuts here i would often push for this reason. (i realize this is exploitable, but not by that many players).

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I think pushing here makes it look more like a set or a 7 scared of the (better) str draw and flush draw. And there are certainly some disgusting river cards I would rather not vomit on.
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Old 02-21-2006, 08:12 PM
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I think pushing here makes it look more like a set or a 7 scared of the (better) str draw and flush draw

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no.
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Old 02-21-2006, 08:50 PM
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Default Re: turn options on a weird board.

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potting looks more like a real hand. pushing raises the suspicion factor to a degree that AA/KK will more likely be able to muster the balls make a call. if i had a set or the nuts here i would often push for this reason. (i realize this is exploitable, but not by that many players).

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i originally thought push to represent the nuts, but i guess potting it does the trick, although IMO they are more likely to muster the balls to push the rest in hoping you were bluffing than if you just shove all of it in. Pretty player dependent though.
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