gettin dirty...

[jstill]

hero opens AKo utg, villain 3bets otb, hero calls

flop T53
i ck, villain cks

turn 8
hero ck raises.... who likes it? it felt pretty sweet at the time value-towning AK hi.

i was gonna post this in the LC thread but wanted a couple strat responses to see whether this was reasonable

[danzasmack]

with no read i hate it

it depends what that flop check means to you as of late and to me, lately it means TT. If you disagree then I like it.

[jstill]

i was gonna ask how much the validity of this line depends on metagame, feel ect

[yourface]

cap preflop

after that it's dependent on what you read his check behind as

[jstill]

ive asked about capping vs calling preflop here before, but i think its probably a topic worth discussing again

pros cons? who thinks what?

[sethypooh21]

Capping OOP has two major pros as far as I'm concerned

1) Value - AK is ahead of the 3-ball range
2) Initiative - IMO it's much easier to pick up these 'orphan pots' with it than with out it. As played, you have a hard time repping anything as the turn C/R looks really fishy, as after the flop checks through, are you really likely to swing for a C/R the second time? If you played an actual made hand this way, you'd be guilty of pretty bad FPS, IMO, which makes a bluff less believable.

[MacGuyV]

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with no read i hate it

it depends what that flop check means to you as of late and to me, lately it means TT. If you disagree then I like it.

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I always thought so too but a lot of weird flop checks lately have made me reconsider (Lags will have a monster more than all other types). Even so I don't really see the motive behind this play.

[Absolution]

I basically always check fold in this spot now without a read. If he's really checking a weaker A high here on the flop I'm going to thank him for free cards in the future and his weak tight play. I guess you won here against something like AJs, but in generally I think you either fold here or call down to see what he plays this way. Why raise now when he has 3-outs probably unless he's slowplaying a set Ts? Encourage him to bluff agains on the river or take the cheap showdown with A high.

[vmacosta]

Sheesh, you guys must be playing in some seriously passive games if you don't autocap here. Against typical 20+ pfr opponents you should also be capping 99+, AQs, and some other hands occasionally imo. Then again my pfr is pretty high so I prob get 3-bet lighter than some.

PS- the turn c/r is creative but just concentrating on getting 2 BBs and NOT 4 would be my default (i.e. c/c, bet or bet, bet; or bet/call, check)

[sethypooh21]

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Sheesh, you guys must be playing in some seriously passive games if you don't autocap here. Against typical 20+ pfr opponents you should also be capping 99+, AQs, and some other hands occasionally imo. Then again my pfr is pretty high so I prob get 3-bet lighter than some.

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I agree with this.