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Old 06-13-2007, 02:52 PM
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Default easy fold KK on turn?

$15/$30 Party

I'm on the BB with KK
MP raises, SB calls, I 3bet. everyone calls.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, Ad, Qc ]

SB checks, I bet, Villain raises. SB fold, I call.

** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]

I check, villian bets. Fold, or call?
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Old 06-13-2007, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: easy fold KK on turn?

This is pretty villain dependent but absent a read, I am taking this to sd most of the time.
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Old 06-13-2007, 03:34 PM
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This is pretty villain dependent but absent a read, I am taking this to sd most of the time.

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Old 06-13-2007, 05:11 PM
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Default Re: easy fold KK on turn?

The first 5 times he does this to me, I'll call down and make a note. If he has an ace all six times, I'll start folding occasionally.
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Old 06-13-2007, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: easy fold KK on turn?

I'll usually toss it here absent of a read. Put a FD on a the board and I'm calling down. I just hate calling down w/2 outs and getting value bet by Ax, makes me feel like a total fish. What hands can you guys put him that he raises the flop here? If he had any common sense he'd have to have at least Ax or better
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Old 06-13-2007, 06:21 PM
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What hands can you guys put him that he raises the flop here?

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Any A, any Q, any 2, any PP or air [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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If he had any common sense....

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From my somewhat limited experience, it would be a serious mistake to assume a random party player has an iota of common sense.
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Old 06-14-2007, 06:19 PM
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What hands can you guys put him that he raises the flop here? If he had any common sense he'd have to have at least Ax or better


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Why would he ever raise aces on this flop, unless his kicker was good enough to cap preflop? from his perspective an Ax is WA/WB.... if 3bettor got pocketpair he should call with aces, if he got an good ace, he should also call

call down, 2nd pair HU is fine, unless ur 3bets get a ton of respect and he is a bit weak
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Old 06-14-2007, 10:15 AM
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Calldown vs most opponents.
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Old 06-14-2007, 10:28 AM
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Default Re: easy fold KK on turn?

assuming the Q wasn't on the flop. Would you call down with 2nd pair? (say you had pocket (88-KK)?

If villain bets again on the river, would it then be an easy fold?

should I have reraised the flop, and check the river?
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:09 AM
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assuming the Q wasn't on the flop. Would you call down with 2nd pair? (say you had pocket (88-KK)? No but thats just make. Make its a more coordinated board and I'll call down

If villain bets again on the river, would it then be an easy fold? No, once you make it to the river you've gotta call the last barrel

should I have reraised the flop, and check the river? No reraising will just put you in a bad situation. If he's bluffing let him bluff, if he's betting for value don't charge yourself

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