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TT - Argh!
Button was pretty much unknown.
PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls. Flop: (10.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls, MP2 calls. Turn: (11.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls. Hmm, im not sure what im still beating, but was hoping to hit another heart on the river. River: (15.20 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls. No heart, but 16 bets in so i call, pray and make a note. |
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Re: TT - Argh!
Against an unknown I would probably fold PF.
On the flop- MP2 doesn't see a A (or K?) on board and so hits the loud pedal. You raise (?) and button comes alive. I would have definitely folded on the flop- without seeing what the button was going to do. River: "No heart". so what? The flush was probably made on the turn, by the button. And if you did hit another heart on the river, were you not worried about Ah, Kh or Jh??? |
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Re: TT - Argh!
Pf is fine with me. After the flop 3bet, I'm certainly not convinced I'm beaten yet. This could still be a draw or some draw+pr combo. But I do think it's a good spot to just call and look for a safe (= not draw-completing) turn card.
Also, I think you can fold the turn. If you look at the available [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]s, there's very little that I can see him calling 3 cold with. 78s, 89s, 9Ts - all of those are impossible. Leaves utter trash hands like 34s or 57s or [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]s that beat you. |
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Re: TT - Argh!
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Pf is fine with me. After the flop 3bet, I'm certainly not convinced I'm beaten yet. This could still be a draw or some draw+pr combo. But I do think it's a good spot to just call and look for a safe (= not draw-completing) turn card. Also, I think you can fold the turn. If you look at the available [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]s, there's very little that I can see him calling 3 cold with. 78s, 89s, 9Ts - all of those are impossible. Leaves utter trash hands like 34s or 57s or [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]s that beat you. [/ QUOTE ] Or QQ that wanted to see if the early raiser caps. Hell, I'd call the one bet on the river just to find out what he calls 3-bets with pre-flop, then 3-bets on the flop. |
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Re: TT - Argh!
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Against an unknown I would probably fold PF. On the flop- MP2 doesn't see a A (or K?) on board and so hits the loud pedal. You raise (?) and button comes alive. I would have definitely folded on the flop- without seeing what the button was going to do. River: "No heart". so what? The flush was probably made on the turn, by the button. And if you did hit another heart on the river, were you not worried about Ah, Kh or Jh??? [/ QUOTE ] Folding preflop is rediculously bad. I mean you shouldn't be playing poker bad. Folding the flop for one bet is bad. |
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Re: TT - Argh!
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I would have definitely folded on the flop- without seeing what the button was going to do [/ QUOTE ] If you had AA, would you fold that too ? [ QUOTE ] And if you did hit another heart on the river, were you not worried about Ah, Kh or Jh??? [/ QUOTE ] Of course i would be worried. But if i had made a flush on the river - would you fold it getting 16 to 1 ? |
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Re: TT - Argh!
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If you had AA, would you fold that too ? [/ QUOTE ] No, but that's not what you had. |
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Re: TT - Argh!
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[ QUOTE ] If you had AA, would you fold that too ? [/ QUOTE ] No, but that's not what you had. [/ QUOTE ] Well, Rikus point was a bit more subtle: You have an overpair. Overpairs that beat you are JJ, QQ, KK, AA, each of those making 0.5% of someone's pfr rage. AKo by itself makes 0.9%. So, I guess we can agree that you're much more likely to be up vs. some OC-combo than a PP higher than yours. But if there's no PP higher than yours out there, the difference between TT and AA on this flop with regards to the current decision is minimal. In any case - folding to the flop donk is just hilarious. |
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Re: TT - Argh!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you had AA, would you fold that too ? [/ QUOTE ] No, but that's not what you had. [/ QUOTE ] Well, Rikus point was a bit more subtle: You have an overpair. Overpairs that beat you are JJ, QQ, KK, AA, each of those making 0.5% of someone's pfr rage. AKo by itself makes 0.9%. So, I guess we can agree that you're much more likely to be up vs. some OC-combo than a PP higher than yours. But if there's no PP higher than yours out there, the difference between TT and AA on this flop with regards to the current decision is minimal. [/ QUOTE ] Pretty much what i was after. |
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Re: TT - Argh!
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Well, Rikus point was a bit more subtle: You have an overpair. Overpairs that beat you are JJ, QQ, KK, AA, each of those making 0.5% of someone's pfr rage. AKo by itself makes 0.9%. [/ QUOTE ] this is pretty misleading. there is only a 0.5% chance of villain having JJ if he raises 100% of his hands. otherwise, JJ makes up a significantly larger percentage of his range. |
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