60-120 hand: Outtricking the Trickster?

andyfox · #1 06-12-2007, 12:10 AM

Haven't posted a hand in a while, maybe this one has some interest. 60-120 at Commerce. Two limpers, then a raise from a solid, unimaginative but winning player on the button. I call with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in the small blind. Big blind calls as do the two limpers. Big blind plays way too loose pre-flop, but is a terrific and tricky post-flop player; he's probably been the biggest winner in the game over the past year.

Flop comes 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I bet, big blind raises, limpers fold, button 3-bets. I call, as does big blind.

Turn is J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I check, big blind checks, button bets. She definitely has a big pair here. I call and now big blind, after hesitating slightly to think, which seems unfeigned to me, raises.

Button thinks, and, while she does, I make up my mind I'm going to raise no matter what she does.

What do you guys think?

StrictlyStrategy · #2 06-12-2007, 12:13 AM

I like it. I don't love it, but I sure do like it.

I assume you're betting most rivers if BB calls?

gameoverjc · #3 06-12-2007, 12:24 AM

wow, i really hate his line of c/r turn on this kind of board and putting the button (a solid unimaginative player) on a big pair. why inflate the pot for draws?

Looks like you both might be chasing the same thing. If he is already there, so be it, but your line is so strong here I'd def give you the credit.

As played, I don't think I change anything. You most likely will squeeze out the button on this hand.

Results?

gameoverjc · #4 06-13-2007, 04:30 PM

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wow, i really hate his line of c/r turn on this kind of board and putting the button (a solid unimaginative player) on a big pair. why inflate the pot for draws?

Looks like you both might be chasing the same thing. If he is already there, so be it, but your line is so strong here I'd def give you the credit.

As played, I don't think I change anything. You most likely will squeeze out the button on this hand.

Results?

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yay i finally was right once. hopefully this is start of my downswing ending!

brettbrettr · #5 06-12-2007, 12:32 AM

Not commenting on this hand specifically, or maybe I am: what hands would you play like this vs. these opponents?

ILOVEPOKER929 · #6 06-12-2007, 12:51 AM

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So you think the BB has JcXc or a hand like As8s and the BTN has an overpair and you believe given your usual image neither one of these guys will call you down UI if you 3bet the turn. Interesting. Whats amusing about this play is that even if it fails, at most you will lose 1-2 extra big bets but this crazy line will probably earn you more than 2 big bets in future hands assuming you play with these opponents more than rarely.

At first I hated this play, but if youre convinced that BB has one pair or less and he and the BTN will not showdown with their one pair hands vs you if you take this line then go for it. The truth is, even when it fails, this play probably still makes money.

vmacosta · #7 06-12-2007, 01:01 AM

Sorry, I just don't get it. If you know that button has 77+ then the "terrific" playing BB knows that as well. Since nobody ever folds big pairs to tricky players it follows that BB can beat a big pair. So I just don't see where the FE is.

Then again its hard to do anything too terrible since the pot is so big and you have a bunch of nut outs...

Clarkmeister · #8 06-12-2007, 02:08 AM

Wow, I love it for you Andy. Andy Fox the local tighty call-3bets the Jack turn after leading the flop and calling two more with what could easily be 9T? BB is leveraging you with pair plus to scare the button who is already tanking? It would never work for me, but for you I say hells yeah.

andyfox · #9 06-12-2007, 04:51 PM

I think this is key. I can get away with it.

danzasmack · #10 06-12-2007, 05:21 PM

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So then this is good IMO. If you get caught here it's 2 bets price (you would have called the raise so 1 bet here and then if you fire on the river) to benefit your image.

Well less than 2 bets because you win sometimes.