NL 100: Tricky JJ in BB

[youcanhaveitall]

Villian in the hand is 8-tabling like me, he seems pretty solid, but could def. be isolating from the button.
What's the play?


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $16.85
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $100.00</font>
UTG: $45.25
MP: $93.50
CO: $109.55
BTN: $200.80

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $3.50</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $12.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero ??</font>,

Regards, youcan
ps. Don't have any stats on him.

[NSM]

I think the strength of the reraise dictates fold. I'd be very surprised if 12X BB was any pair TT or below. Best case you're probably up against AK. You're out of position. If you call I think it's most likely to set farm making the JJ no better than a small pair. In the case that JJ is overpair on the flop and you bet out and get raised you can no longer assume AK. I call the $12 in position to see what he does on flop but I think that's too high a price out of the blinds.

[Bigmoney]

call

[Unknown Soldier]

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call

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[Vince.]

Say OP calls and gets heads up with the button and a harmless flop comes out, say 3 7 8 rainbow. What's his action? Check to the button or donk into him? If you check and button bets 3/4 pot, then what? If you donk and button raises pot then what?

[youcanhaveitall]

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Say OP calls and gets heads up with the button and a harmless flop comes out, say 3 7 8 rainbow. What's his action? Check to the button or donk into him? If you check and button bets 3/4 pot, then what? If you donk and button raises pot then what?

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Excactly! That was the primary reason that I folded it, even though it seems pretty weak. Interested on hearing what those who said call do on a generic board.

Regards, Youcan

[johnnyrocket]

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Say OP calls and gets heads up with the button and a harmless flop comes out, say 3 7 8 rainbow. What's his action? Check to the button or donk into him? If you check and button bets 3/4 pot, then what? If you donk and button raises pot then what?

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this is true but these spots come up often and if he has an overpair say nh, u cant just try avoiding all tough spots

[1gotth3nuts]

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I think the strength of the reraise dictates fold. I'd be very surprised if 12X BB was any pair TT or below. Best case you're probably up against AK. You're out of position. If you call I think it's most likely to set farm making the JJ no better than a small pair. In the case that JJ is overpair on the flop and you bet out and get raised you can no longer assume AK. I call the $12 in position to see what he does on flop but I think that's too high a price out of the blinds.

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disagree with ^^^^^^^

villain isnt 3betting with only AK and high pairs.... and $12 is a smallish 3bet, so betsize means nothing (meaning that 12 isnt a lot).

frankly, I hate calling here because then u are playing the hand face-up.

I don't know why u don't have stats, because u seem to assume villain is solid... so if he's a nit then i fold, if he's Lag or kinda loose tag or w/e, then sometimes i'll 4bet. I call sometimes too, but hate doing it

[cs3]

how does calling here turn your hand face up?a solid player's 3 beting range vs a button open is waaaaay wider than QQ+

i open a ton of hands from the button and usually get 3bet pretty light from the multitabling tags in the blinds, so calling here is pretty standard for me.
im def not fodling unless i know villain is a 12/8 nit.

i think calling is best here in general. and you're not calling for set value either.

EDIT oh wow, i completely misread action. thought you were button and BB 3bet... didnt realize it was going to be a multiway flop. folding isnt bad here. coldcalling 3 bets is mcuh differnt than caling a 3bet in position HU like i suggested above

[HoldemPokerPlyr]

Call. See the outcome of the flop.