Who is Your Favorite President?

[Iplayboard]

In the spirit of President's Day, I'm on Mountain Time, who is your favorite all-time president?

My vote would have to go to the People's Champ, Thomas Jefferson. I don't really know if he was that cool of a president, but Jefferson was an amazing thinker whose ideas were pretty revolutionary for the time.

One knock against Jefferson is his status as a slave-owner, but that's like ripping on a 17th century noblemen for marrying his cousin.

Also, he did sort of illegally buy Louisiana, but it's tough to complain about the end result unless you're Chief Sitting Bull.

I think if you were going to start a poll it would be more fair to divide the presidents by eras. Clinton would be my favorite recent president but only because I really hate all the other ones.

[fluxrad]

Favorite of all time: Washington.

He had ridiculous leadership qualities. He also warned against the U.S. falling into a two-party system. Oops.

Favorite of the modern era: Probably Clinton w/ Bush Sr. a close second.

I have to respect GHWB for sacrificing a second term for the good of the country (no new taxes). I also respect him for knowing when to quit w/rt Iraq. He knew that an invasion would turn into a quagmire and so he abstained even though Saddam was a "really bad guy"(tm).

I think his son will be remembered as a "brat" president.

[PokerVicatin]

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He had ridiculous leadership qualities. He also warned against the U.S. falling into a two-party system. Oops.

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Right on! He showed some incredible wisdom in that respect, I also think its noteworthy that he willingly chose to step down, because i could be wrong, but I think a majority of the population still wanted him to stay in power. I doubt that Clinton would have done the same if it wasn't required that he leave office [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Iplayboard]

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I doubt that Bush would have done the same if it wasn't required that he leave office [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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God bless Washington's foresight.

[Brainwalter]

Jackson. He believed in Constitutional limitations of federal power, paid off the national debt, killed the central bank, and put Congress in their place. Too bad it didn't take.

[Iplayboard]

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Jackson. He believed in Constitutional limitations of federal power, paid off the national debt, killed a lot of indigenous people , and put Congress in their place. Too bad it didn't take.

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[Felix_Nietzsche]

Jackson. He believed in Constitutional limitations of federal power, paid off the national debt, killed a lot of indigenous people , and put Congress in their place. Too bad it didn't take.
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Yep and thank god. The indians he killed off weren't exactly peace-nik-hippie-indians smoking pot and singing love songs. The Creeks Indians were one of the most blood-thirsty-murderous-scum indians on North America. Jackson ****ed them up. Why should Jackson apologize for being a better killer than the indians were? These indians used terror, torture, and murder to futher themselves. Excuse me if I don't cry for them. Also the British deserve some blame because they paid the indians for the scalps of American settlers (men and women) and many American indian tribes used scalp collecting as a source of revenue.

The Seminoles that attacked from Spanish Florida murdering settlers and then retreated to the "safety" of Spanish Florida. They soon found out that Jackson didn't care much about international borders and he exacted pay-back with COMPOUND INTEREST.

You are a victim of the political correct white-washing of American History. Jackson DESERVES his place on the $20 bill. He earned it. I wish we had an Andy Johnson to lead us on the war-on-terror. Those Arabs wouldn't last a year....

[Randle]

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Yep and thank god. The indians he killed off weren't exactly peace-nik-hippie-indians smoking pot and singing love songs. The Creeks Indians were one of the most blood-thirsty-murderous-scum indians on North America. Jackson ****ed them up. Why should Jackson apologize for being a better killer than the indians were? These indians used terror, torture, and murder to futher themselves. Excuse me if I don't cry for them. Also the British deserve some blame because they paid the indians for the scalps of American settlers (men and women) and many American indian tribes used scalp collecting as a source of revenue.

The Seminoles that attacked from Spanish Florida murdering settlers and then retreated to the "safety" of Spanish Florida. They soon found out that Jackson didn't care much about international borders and he exacted pay-back with COMPOUND INTEREST.

You are a victim of the political correct white-washing of American History. Jackson DESERVES his place on the $20 bill. He earned it. I wish we had an Andy Johnson to lead us on the war-on-terror. Those Arabs wouldn't last a year....

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What about the Trail of Tears? Are you excusing that?

[Felix_Nietzsche]

What about the Trail of Tears? Are you excusing that?
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Not completely but I'd say about 90%.
There are consequences when you start a war, use uncivilize tactics against your enemies, and then lose the war.

Some people think we are having a War-On-Terror today. Nope. We are having the 2nd-War-On-Terror. The first war on terror was fought by the early American settlers against the indian tribes that fought for the French and British against the American settlers. Scalp taking of American settlers was a standard practice. The French paid for scalps when they were at war with Britain. During America's War for Independence, the British paid the indians for American scalps. One British officer was know as the "hair buyer" (Henry Hamilton, British lieutenant governor at Detroit). This and other reasons is why Andrew Jackson hated the British with a passion.

There were many indian tribes that had encounters with the American settlers. The indians that fought with the French were murderous terrorizing scum. The French commander of North America was HIGHLY ashamed to have these indians as allies but he knew the French would lose without them. The indians that terrorize settlers is the south (mainly Creeks and Seminoles) were also murderous terrorizing scum. Although once in Oklahoma the Seminole tribe became one of the most respected and regarded indian tribes in North America.

The peace treaty that Andrew Jackson offered the indians was harsh and the indians forfeited their claims on disputed lands and agreed to move West. Sorry but we don't owe the violent murderous indian tribes any apologies. As for the indian tribes that were civilized and forced from their land, then these tribes do deserve some sympathy. But in defence of my American fore fathers, it could be difficult to tell which tribes were civilized and which were murdering terrorists. Their solution was not to take any chances and ethnic cleanse the indians from the disputed lands (which the indians agreed to in the peace treaty with Jackson).

[lehighguy]

Aren't Jackson and Bush very similair?