I muckbottom set facing overbet - 22 @ 5/10nl deep stax

[Overfloater]

petro is 31/11/.9 however his river af is like 3; cykla is 17/6/1.6 ; sample size isnt huge but ive played with these guys for like 3 hours now and it seems accurate; both my opponents are stations too.... around 35 wtsds;

my image varys a lot,. cykla thinks im in line; petro thinks im way outa line since i always raise his limps and generaly make his life miserable; neither opponent has pt or hud,,,, they are terrible;;;

in terms of timing tells cykla didnt think much before calling; petra overcalleed pretty quickly as well; ive seen petra overcall hands like a6 on 653 2tone in sb too... so im not sure if he disregards the overcall, calls lighter, or calls tighter;

more tells.... petra slidebared the river im pretty sure; the party slidebar doesnt give dollars and cents anymore but it DOES do weird bets in intervals of the big blind (ie tens); his river bet had a knee-jerk feel to it.

***** Hand History for Game 6039507044 *****
$1,000 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, June 06, 18:56:33 ET 2007
Table Table 126581 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: petrowichh ( $3,820.25 USD )
Seat 4: SEXKRIME669 ( $3,415 USD )
Seat 3: Aibo10 ( $979.75 USD )
Seat 5: Cykla ( $1,150.25 USD )
Seat 6: gunnarssson ( $3,182.16 USD )
Seat 1: JelsinKirriu ( $1,000 USD )
Cykla posts small blind [$5 USD].
gunnarssson posts big blind [$10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SEXKRIME669 [ 2h 2s ]
petrowichh calls [$10 USD]
Aibo10 calls [$10 USD]
SEXKRIME669 raises [$55 USD]
Cykla calls [$50 USD]
gunnarssson folds
petrowichh calls [$45 USD]
Aibo10 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Td, Js, 2d ]
Cykla checks
petrowichh checks
SEXKRIME669 bets [$169 USD]
Cykla calls [$169 USD]
petrowichh calls [$169 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
Cykla checks
petrowichh checks
SEXKRIME669 checks
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
Cykla checks
petrowichh bets [$1,140 USD]
SEXKRIME669 folds

[DJ Sensei]

pretty sure i'd bet the turn there.

as played, river i'd probably call. he can't expect anybody to have a hand, and slidebar overbet seems pretty weak.

[ikestoys]

asdhdffa;sofifhasfsdoas;hfas;dofihasdf BET TURN

[Overfloater]

he bet twice the pot btw

[dillip kothari]

how do you check that turn multiway?

[Overfloater]

protecting hand < protecting stack when deep

[Overfloater]

[ QUOTE ]
asdhdffa;sofifhasfsdoas;hfas;dofihasdf BET TURN

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if i get cr'd by some retard overplaying 2pair then i effectively get bluffed out when i COULD have made it to showdown .

[Unarmed]

Bet the turn because:

-Cykla is more likely to have KQ given PFR stats, and he's only 100bb
-even if deep guy has kq hes going to check minraise the turn anyway so call it and stack on paired riv
-they're both donk calling stations, you're not going to get raised by a draw like ever, and most of the time they wont even raise two pair, turned or otherwise
-betting that turn is a show of huge strength from you into two donks, but they dont know the significance of that so saying you won't get two more bets out of any pair from at least one of them is ridiculous... they have 35 wtsd.
-guys like this aren't going to bluff the riv enough to justify chking turn with even AA or equiv to induce.

riv is a good fold tho... donk calling station + overbet (i dont care if its 1 cent) = nuts. period.

But anyway, you really have to recognize how bad the turn is, or you are going to leave a ton of money on the table against players like these...

[Overfloater]

unarmed that is a good explanation thanks. I think I overestimated petro's cr range and didnt wanna get bluffed out by 2pair; he wioudnt mincr me either... it would be 3x.

[Mench]

riv is a good fold tho... donk calling station + overbet (i dont care if its 1 cent) = nuts. period.



SO TRUE YET I CAN NEVER GET THIS IN MY HEAD!