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Old 05-31-2007, 05:35 AM
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Default NL400 6max AK OOP -standard ?

Sorry for not using a Converter, but my PT-database is not on this Computer.

Effective Stacks 400$

Villain is 27/8/2 (UTG) after about 100 Hands
Hero is in SB playing a 22/18/2,5 Style for about 50 Hands on this table. Not much action till now.

Pre: Villain(UTG) raises to 16$, Hero raises to 54$ (AKo), Villain calls.

Flop is KQ6r - Hero bets 80$, Villain min-raises to 160$, Hero calls.

Turn is Q (now all rainbow): Hero checks, Villain checks
River is 2: Hero pushes

Is this a boring standard hand ?
My thoughts on this hand were, that I would like to push him off AK or maybe AA, but didn't felt OK, b/c he never ever fold AA in this spot. So would a smaller value bet a better decision - If I bet 100$ I have to call a push anyway ?
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Old 05-31-2007, 05:54 AM
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Default Re: NL400 6max AK OOP -standard ?

Uhm so river was a value bet, not a bluff? In that case why not just make an actual value bet and b/c?
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Old 05-31-2007, 05:59 AM
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Default Re: NL400 6max AK OOP -standard ?

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Uhm so river was a value bet, not a bluff? In that case why not just make an actual value bet and b/c?

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my river push was meant as a semi-bluff and worked as he folded, but I didn't feel good doing this because his raise on the flop tell me that he has AK or better all the time.
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Old 05-31-2007, 06:16 AM
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Default Re: NL400 6max AK OOP -standard ?

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Uhm so river was a value bet, not a bluff? In that case why not just make an actual value bet and b/c?

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my river push was meant as a semi-bluff and worked as he folded, but I didn't feel good doing this because his raise on the flop tell me that he has AK or better all the time.

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Unless I have misread stack sizes doesn't AK or better always call?
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Old 05-31-2007, 06:23 AM
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Default Re: NL400 6max AK OOP -standard ?

So we're bluffing to fold out AA, and stop a split with AK?
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Old 05-31-2007, 06:53 AM
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So we're bluffing to fold out AA, and stop a split with AK?

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that was my thinking
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Old 05-31-2007, 06:25 AM
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Default Re: NL400 6max AK OOP -standard ?

3-bet push flop since you are oop.

As played, I'd check the river and hope to catch a bluff, mostly from JT. I can't see what you would get value from by betting except from a rare KJ.
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Old 05-31-2007, 06:56 AM
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3-bet push flop since you are oop.

As played, I'd check the river and hope to catch a bluff, mostly from JT. I can't see what you would get value from by betting except from a rare KJ.

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I don't think he has JT or KJ here in this spot. He is 27/8 - which means UTG he raises a very small part of his cards and never ever calls a 3-bet. So imho he has TT/JJ/AA/AK and maybe 77-99.
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Old 05-31-2007, 08:10 AM
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Default Re: NL400 6max AK OOP -standard ?

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Uhm so river was a value bet, not a bluff? In that case why not just make an actual value bet and b/c?

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my river push was meant as a semi-bluff and worked as he folded, but I didn't feel good doing this because his raise on the flop tell me that he has AK or better all the time.

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how can a river bet be a semibluff?

i agree, that villain wont fold AA, but river bet might be good as a bluff, if he folds AK .. lets say he only has AA-QQ(5 combinations) or AK (6 combinations) .. if you bet and he folds AK, you lose 200 in 5/11 cases and win 400 in 6/11, which is an EV of +127, c/f obviously has an EV of 0 and c/c (assuming he bets his whole range) has an EV of -200*5/11 + 200*6/11 = 18

but he might also call with AK and he might have other cards of course
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