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Old 05-27-2007, 05:10 AM
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Default Player at table guessed both hands correctly. Can you?

Live MTT, level 1, blinds 25/50. I have 9700 and villain has me covered.

I raise to 150 on the button, BB raises to 400, I make it 1250 and BB calls.

Flop comes Q23,r. BB checks, I bet 1400, and BB calls. Turn is a 7, BB checks, I bet 2500, and BB calls. The river is 9 for a Q2379, BB checks, I push for 4500, and BB calls.

CO guessed both of our hands correctly. What were they?

I hope this is OK for HSMTT. I wouldn't expect 4/180 players to guess this.
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Old 05-27-2007, 06:31 AM
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Default Re: Player at table guessed both hands correctly. Can you?

Stakes/history/likely read button would have matters.

In a vacuum, I would guess he had AQ and you had KK, but you could easily play QQ/AA this way, just that KK has the most combos. I think your avg opponent will often 5-bet or put in a raise somewhere postflop w/ KK/AA, but sucks enough so that he has trouble getting away from AQ preflop.
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Old 05-27-2007, 03:16 PM
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Default Re: Player at table guessed both hands correctly. Can you?

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Stakes/history/likely read button would have matters.

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I agree 100%.

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In a vacuum, I would guess he had AQ and you had KK, but you could easily play QQ/AA this way, just that KK has the most combos.

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I think QQ would cause betgo to slow down a "little." He fired a pot sized bet on the flop. Not completely non-standard but this early in a MTT, I think betgo would try to give villain enough rope. Same with AA, hoping that villain had AQ I think again that he would give a chance for villain to take some control. KK for betgo.

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I think your avg opponent will often 5-bet or put in a raise somewhere postflop w/ KK/AA, but sucks enough so that he has trouble getting away from AQ preflop.

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If the player is trappy, IE reads, it wouldn't be too hard to put villain on AA here and try to let betgo hang himself.
Since slow playing AA is non-standard here this early in a tournament I rule this out.

I think villain has to figure that AQ is bad by the river at some point - so no AQ for villain.

I think betgo had KK and villain had QQ.
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Old 05-27-2007, 03:32 PM
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Default Re: Player at table guessed both hands correctly. Can you?

I didn't bet pot on the flop. I bet 1400 into a 2525 pot on the flop, 2500 into 5325 on the turn, and 4500 into 10325 on the river.

I really didn't have much of a read, as this is aobut the 10th hand of the tournament.

The buyin was actually $340, which technically is low for this forum, but I didn't think this was appropriate for LSMTT. I should give this information though, as it effects the read.
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Old 05-27-2007, 05:45 PM
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Default Re: Player at table guessed both hands correctly. Can you?

Yikes, if I'm not mis-reading stuff I'm mis-reading stuff.
I mis-read 4th street for the flop.

Thanks for the correction betgo.

I change my read to what others say and it's AA vs QQ.
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Old 05-27-2007, 07:10 PM
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Default Re: Player at table guessed both hands correctly. Can you?

Ok, I don't have much live experience. Are people nittier and/or better live @ in a $340 tourney than your typical $100 online tourney?
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Old 05-27-2007, 07:13 AM
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Default Re: Player at table guessed both hands correctly. Can you?

Being mostly a 4/180 player I must try to prove you wrong [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I think you could have AA, QQ and I put villain on AA-KK and maybe AQ if he is bad.

My guess is you had QQ and villain had AA.
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Old 05-27-2007, 08:43 AM
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You have QQ, he has KK.
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Old 05-27-2007, 10:24 AM
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Default Re: Player at table guessed both hands correctly. Can you?

you have QQ (better have it here), he has AA
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Old 05-27-2007, 10:39 AM
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you have QQ, he has AA

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