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Old 05-27-2007, 01:59 AM
Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky is offline
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Default Like Doyle says: Never double up a short-stack donk in an unraised pot

My gf (who also plays and is OK) didn't agree with my action on this hand. I thought it was pretty str8 forward and easy. What do you think?

The guy who open shoves the river is 66/3, the caller, snap called and is 16/0. To be honest, though, I wouldn't have known that because I really don't give shortstacks at these levels enough to care what their stats are.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">Hero (SB): $105.60</font>
BB: $58.60
UTG: $17.70
MP: $56.00
CO: $97.00
BTN: $17.50

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $1.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($3) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($3) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, BB calls $1.50, <font color="red">MP raises to $6.00</font>, Hero calls $4.50, BB calls $4.50

<font color="black">River:</font> ($21) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets all-in for $51.60</font>, MP calls all-in for $49.00

Hero?
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Old 05-27-2007, 02:27 AM
ASPoker8 ASPoker8 is offline
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Default Re: Like Doyle says: Never double up a short-stack donk in an unraised pot

dont fold lol
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Old 05-27-2007, 02:41 AM
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Default Re: Like Doyle says: Never double up a short-stack donk in an unraised

I have no idea why you'd fold..
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Old 05-27-2007, 02:57 AM
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Default Re: Like Doyle says: Never double up a short-stack donk in an unraised

Seems like a pretty easy call here, we lose to the 6-9 here and that is it, and we are getting 2.35 to 1 on our money here. I would call and expect to be splitting either the BB or MP's money.
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Old 05-27-2007, 04:07 AM
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Default Re: Like Doyle says: Never double up a short-stack donk in an unraised

nobody sane calls bb without a straight. The overbet is a classic stackadonk move for a hand like 69. That being said I don't know if i can find a fold here. The 66/3 makes me call. Against 2 nits I think i can fold.
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Old 05-27-2007, 04:13 AM
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Default Re: Like Doyle says: Never double up a short-stack donk in an unraised

doyle is a donk and his son is a huge loser w/ his 'doyle's room' chain.
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Old 05-27-2007, 04:49 AM
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Default Re: Like Doyle says: Never double up a short-stack donk in an unraised

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nobody sane calls bb without a straight. The overbet is a classic stackadonk move for a hand like 69.

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You say in that spot it would make sense to do that with 96?
Is that really true? Normally i would think that i get two pair to fold with an overbet like this.
But any straight i calling i guess...
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Old 05-27-2007, 04:16 AM
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Default Re: Like Doyle says: Never double up a short-stack donk in an unraised

fold preflop. don't play junk aces OOP. especially with only one limper.
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Old 05-27-2007, 04:46 AM
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Default Re: Like Doyle says: Never double up a short-stack donk in an unraised

lol you will most likey split with one of them but divide the stack of the other one who is calling with two pair. call any day of the weak.
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Old 05-27-2007, 06:01 PM
Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky is offline
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Default Re: Like Doyle says: Never double up a short-stack donk in an unraised

Thanks for the good humored responses. I folded without much thought. The turn IMO is the crucial street. When I lead, bb flat calls, we get raised and he just flat calls again, I'm pretty positive that we've all got a 6 at least.

When, after playing the turn so passively he overbet shoves all in, it was clear to me that he had 96 like 85%+.

If he checks and mp shoves, I call all day. I might even shove if he checks and mp bets, I dunno. But his line absolutely reeked of the nuts.

I was trying to explain to her that regardless of how unlikely it is for your opponent to have the one hand that can beat you, if you look at the action and the only hand that they would take that line with is that one hand, you've got to fold.

I'm curious about those who said fold pf. Is that really standard? I would rarely fold this pf from the sb after a limper and would never have thought this to be a leak?

Sure I'm playing oop with a weak ace, but it's for a small pot against weak opponents (open limpers) generally and the pot's only going to get big if I want it to, generally speaking.
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