Plugging Some BB Leaks 3 Hands

soda · #1 05-26-2007, 09:23 AM

Ok, well, the title says it all. My BB is at -0.22 over the last 30k hands. It's probably because I like to supermultitablemax and fold my BB like always.

All games are online 10/20 6 max.

HAND #1

Villain is 34/18/1.9 and seems a completely competent, but probably losing player in this game.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (10.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

HAND #2

Villain is 36/14/1.4 with 28% total steals.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

HAND #3

Villain is complete unknown, second hand at table actually.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, SB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4 BB

philnewall · #2 05-26-2007, 09:55 AM

bluff hand 3.

gehrig · #3 05-26-2007, 11:04 AM

hand 1 u put in way too many bets. i would just cc the flop planning to mostly show down

2 is ok

3 is bad u have to give urself a chance to win

Hoi Polloi · #4 05-26-2007, 11:13 AM

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hand 1 u put in way too many bets. i would just cc the flop planning to mostly show down

2 is ok

3 is bad u have to give urself a chance to win

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soda · #5 05-26-2007, 12:12 PM

I'm wondering about the standard line in hand #3. Is standard line, B/R this flop, bet all three streets unless raised even when whiffing? Then, only deviate based on read?

Thanks,

soda

soda · #6 05-26-2007, 12:16 PM

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hand 1 u put in way too many bets. i would just cc the flop planning to mostly show down

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Is this the standard line for any weak hand with showdown value? Or is this board simply too scary, too high chance of being or becoming second best to get lots of bets in OOP?

Also, if the board were 235 two tone, then the level of aggression I took in this hand would be much more appropriate, correct?

Thanks,

soda

gaming_mouse · #7 05-26-2007, 12:47 PM

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hand 1 u put in way too many bets. i would just cc the flop planning to mostly show down

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gehrig,

i c/c here alot too, but surely you can't say that c/raising is always bad here... ie, that you can never do any % of the time. so assume you did c/r. do you just call the 3b, c/c the turn. then say you improve. donk or try to c/r river?

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3 is bad u have to give urself a chance to win

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what is the best way to do this? obv you bet the turn. do you fire river too?

thanks,
gm

soda · #8 05-26-2007, 12:54 PM

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what is the best way to do this? obv you bet the turn. do you fire river too?

thanks,
gm

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Hand 3...

I was wondering about this also, obviously I totally crapped this hand which is why I posted it. But when I look at the texture of the board, so many hands will call two barrels and then fold to the third that it seems like a pretty obvious raise, three barrel opportunity. Do most people agree that this is a good three barrel type hand?

Thanks,

soda

gaming_mouse · #9 05-26-2007, 01:05 PM

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I was wondering about this also, obviously I totally crapped this hand which is why I posted it. But when I look at the texture of the board, so many hands will call two barrels and then fold to the third that it seems like a pretty obvious raise, three barrel opportunity. Do most people agree that this is a good three barrel type hand?

Thanks,

soda

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Well, the 3rd barrell is certainly not folding any pairs. The question is simply: do TJ, higher flush draws, and aces -- aces, however, he may or may not fold -- make up enough of his range to make it profitable?

I think the 3rd barrell question really hinges on whether he is the type to make an ace hi cd here.

gehrig · #10 05-26-2007, 01:50 PM

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i c/c here alot too, but surely you can't say that c/raising is always bad here... ie, that you can never do any % of the time.

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no i would pretty much never cr here. against what hands in villain's range is cr'ing good against? if u need to improve to win then u would rather just cc. if villain has QJ or something its kinda close bc its gross when the turn is a blank and he checks behind. but he wont chk behind every time. and when the turn is an ace or u make a straight and he bets its huuuge.

cr'ing also opens the door for a worse hand to own u in a big pot.

edit: i would cr a straight turn and cc down an ace turn. the river after an ace turn is a cc imo bc he can put u on a [censored] pair and a [censored] straight draw and try and get u to fold it. cr'ing is pretty thin.