am i too tight?

[dynacraze]

Quite frankly in full ring, I am scared of set miners. I have top pair top kicker but the person betting at me seems to know whats hes doing because of his stack size. I seen people betting with trips here to entice the person with AA or KK to reraise. I have no reads.

PokerStars Game #10048268013: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/05/22 - 11:50:26 (ET)
Table 'Hercynia' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: tesorillo ($48.75 in chips)
Seat 2: bambikiller ($60.40 in chips)
Seat 3: schdewwn ($12.25 in chips)
Seat 4: poolman2 ($27.60 in chips)
Seat 5: dyna140 ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 6: mikeyx2 ($28.70 in chips)
Seat 7: Stigi1973 ($61.35 in chips)
Seat 8: Eli Jenkins ($83.10 in chips)
Seat 9: Siglar ($41.25 in chips)
Eli Jenkins: posts small blind $0.25
Siglar: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dyna140 [Ad Jd]
tesorillo: folds
bambikiller: folds
schdewwn: folds
poolman2: folds
dyna140: raises $1 to $1.50
mikeyx2: calls $1.50
Stigi1973 has timed out
Stigi1973: folds
Stigi1973 is sitting out
Eli Jenkins: calls $1.25
Siglar: folds
*** FLOP *** [7d Js 6h]
Stigi1973 has returned
Eli Jenkins: bets $4
dyna140: folds
mikeyx2: folds
Eli Jenkins collected $4.75 from pot
Eli Jenkins: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5 | Rake $0.25
Board [7d Js 6h]
Seat 1: tesorillo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bambikiller folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: schdewwn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: poolman2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: dyna140 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: mikeyx2 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Stigi1973 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Eli Jenkins (small blind) collected ($4.75)
Seat 9: Siglar (big blind) folded before Flop

[King Spew]

dyna....

I am the preflop raiser from MP and I flop TPTK IP against flop raiser, with one behind.

I have no worries about the SB raising the flop close to pot size. I do have a concern about the player still behind me here.

I raise somewhere about 3X the raise amount ( $10 to $12 ).

I'm pretty sure you would find out if SB had a set here after you repop his raise. Think about it this way::::: If SB HAD a set (monster), he would CHECK to the preflop raiser to get the blood flowing.

A donkbet (raising OOP into the PF raiser) usually says I have a good, but not great hand. Sorry, but this doesn't mean he has a set. In fact, it tells me VERY specifically that he does NOT have a set.

[dynacraze]

i seen people do this to me before with sets. I seen it a couple of times already. The thing about you saying raisig 3x the amount to 10-12. I can't really do this because i am committing myself aren't i? I only have about 23.75 to start this hand. Raising it to 12 would leave me with about 9 which means i am pot commiteed if he repops right?

[wallenborn]

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Raising it to 12 would leave me with about 9 which means i am pot commiteed if he repops right?

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No. if he repops, you can fold. Pot commitment has three aspects:

[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] You can't fold because folding would leave you with too few chips to continue.
[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] You can't fold because you're getting fantastic pot odds.
[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] You can't fold because you've invested so much and don't want to throw that money away.

The first aspect is extremely important in tournament poker. In cash games, it doesn't exist. The third is purely psychological and not a good reason. Don't make that mistake: as soon as your money is in the pot, it's no longer yours. Don't throw good money after bad. That leaves #2, which is real, but overrated. It's what i love to hear from my short-stacked opponents after they called my flop all-in with AK unimproved. If you raise, you raise to find out whether you are beat. Once you found out you aree beat, pot odds of 2-1 are not good enough.

If you play with a full stack, by the way, #2 mostly disappears. Plus, you gain what Sklansky calls The Hammer of Future Bets, that is, your opponent cannot repop without a truly big hand.

[KJatl]

"but the person betting at me seems to know whats hes doing because of his stack size"

Ewwwww. You cannot judge a person's skill by his stack size. Especially if you don't know how he got that stack. Donkeys win pots too ya know.

Back to the hand, terrible fold on the flop. You said you had no reads here; I would need a solid read to fold TPTK that easily on this flop. I generally raise this although calling and seeing what he does on the turn isn't bad either; although raising on the turn to really find out where you stand will cost more.

[KJatl]

Oh, and always reload. No reason to be a short stack here unless you just lost a pot in the previous hand and didn't have time to add more chips.

[Landlord79]

Whow, can you let me know when you're playing so that I can join your table?

I often smooth call here to see the villain's action on the turn, but folding is absurd!

[King Spew]

I am going to mention Hero's stack size also.

Hero is not full stacked.
Hero is not short stacked.

Hero is smack dab in the middle.... No-Man's Land. It makes this type of hand play miserably for our Hero. But he must forge ahead with what he's got. You can play like you are shortstacked and PUSH. You play as tho you are fullstacked and raise to $10-12.

But you get nowhere with a fold here. Why would you even play AJ????? (That is a SERIOUS question!!!!!)

[Landlord79]

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Why would you even play AJ????? (That is a SERIOUS question!!!!!)

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He's open raising. You don't open raise w/ AJ from MP?

[Gordon Scott]

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dyna....
A donkbet (raising OOP into the PF raiser) usually says I have a good, but not great hand. Sorry, but this doesn't mean he has a set. In fact, it tells me VERY specifically that he does NOT have a set.

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This line of thinking cost me a lot of money on three different hands over one really bad weekend?

GS