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Old 05-21-2007, 11:53 PM
Keys Myaths Keys Myaths is offline
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Default Trips with good kicker, but I\'m throwing up.

Villain is 27/10/2.44 over 430 hands, mostly datamined.

I figured, a value bet couldn't hurt on the river, but WTF? What the hell do you do in this spot?


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CO ($35.35)
Button ($31.60)
SB ($66.95)
BB ($18.05)
UTG ($26.05)
Keys ($25.40)

Preflop: Keys is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Keys raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $0.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($2.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $2.25</font>, Keys calls $2.25.

Turn: ($6.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Keys bets $3</font>, SB calls $3.

River: ($12.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Keys bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $21.75</font>, Keys ????
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Old 05-21-2007, 11:56 PM
creamfillin creamfillin is offline
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Default Re: Trips with good kicker, but I\'m throwing up.

Why all of a sudden check on the turn? not saying it's bad but why? deception?
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Old 05-21-2007, 11:57 PM
Keys Myaths Keys Myaths is offline
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Default Re: Trips with good kicker, but I\'m throwing up.

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Why all of a sudden check on the turn? not saying it's bad but why? deception?

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I didn't check on the turn. The color schemes are screwy.
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Old 05-22-2007, 12:00 AM
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Default Re: Trips with good kicker, but I\'m throwing up.

Isn't a check on the turn after a call like this on flop standard?
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Old 05-22-2007, 12:04 AM
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Default Re: Trips with good kicker, but I\'m throwing up.

Oy, the colors are [censored] with me head. I would say the river is a pretty easy fold, the turn check looks alot like he filled up and is now in trapping mode. I would make the vbet slightly bigger.
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Old 05-22-2007, 12:09 AM
Gullanian Gullanian is offline
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Default Re: Trips with good kicker, but I\'m throwing up.

Id definatly rr the flop. If he raises you again fold it.
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Old 05-22-2007, 12:22 AM
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Default Re: Trips with good kicker, but I\'m throwing up.

Turn and river bets are too weak...Weak river bet may have induced a bluff raise from villain????? Either way Absent a read I make a note, FOLD and move on....
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Old 05-22-2007, 12:50 AM
rivhawk02 rivhawk02 is offline
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Default Re: Trips with good kicker, but I\'m throwing up.

In position with top pair, good kicker, im raising the flop because villain does play an awful lot of pots . If you get raised big, you can fold, but id make a note because of the stats on villain. If you are still around on the river after raising the flop, id probably call since villain could easily have trips with a weaker kicker or busted flush draw. As played, I think a full house HAS TO bet on river after not betting turn for some sort of value and would lean towards a call.
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Old 05-22-2007, 01:16 AM
Keys Myaths Keys Myaths is offline
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Default Re: Trips with good kicker, but I\'m throwing up.

He's 27/10. We can do this. What is he calling with that we beat, and that we lose to?
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Old 05-22-2007, 01:38 AM
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Default Re: Trips with good kicker, but I\'m throwing up.

Im saying the hand was played way too funky for it to be a full house or a better ace (turn AND river check) .Unless you have major history at the table of taking shots at pots in position with busted draws (which it looks like you are doing), i would lean towards call. If villain is playing against a relative unknown(hero) how do they do anything outside of betting river. We beat busted straight or flush draws and any ace outside of A2 A8 A10 AK AQ.
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