This is why bad players just call pf

[jk3a]

Villain was 30/5 through 15 hands. He has about 170 left once we get to the flop.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($683.35)
MP1 ($242)
MP2 ($256.75)
CO ($194.60)
Button ($311.10)
Hero ($406.50)
BB ($355.15)
UTG ($538.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $4, UTG+1 calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $72</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $52.

Flop: ($156) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $85</font>,

[soah]

wtf? reraising here is really bad

[DjSkyy]

i would probably just call preflop, and if u did reraise like that i think you sorta have to bet the flop

as played i think calling and folding are pretty much equally bad so mb u should just cut your losses and muck it

[sauce123]

Id 3bet here pf most of the time but calling is definitely a fine play. Now that we r here Id bet flop call shove

[fringsrache]

without a better read id usually just call pf. but reraising cant be too bad.
i guess i would lead this flop and call a shove then. c/f here feels strange...

[soah]

the guy raised two limpers from earliesh position, he's shown a tendency to limp rather than raise, so we are probably behind his range. Reraising is just setting ourselves up to get owned when he has a bigger pair. Calling gives us a chance to hit a set against his bigger pairs and we can invest a bet postflop (the same money we spent reraising) to find out if we're good on rag flops.

[TheJared]

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wtf? reraising here is really bad

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Whyyyyyyy?

[jk3a]

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wtf? reraising here is really bad

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The title references the situation of an overcard flopping. I think calling pf is just fine, but don't fully understand why you think it is "really bad." At the very worst, it's towards the bottom end of my range here.

[DefThreats]

I probably wouldn't 3-bet a pfr 5 player with JJ.

[Quantum?]

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I probably wouldn't 3-bet a pfr 5 player with JJ.

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notice hand sample though