$11+1 FT 2 situations I am not in very often

SayGN · #1 05-20-2007, 01:42 AM

These situations don't happen very often, but I am curious as to how they should be played.

Hand 1: No reads, did I play this right? (I'm going to ask that you don't say "fold pf" on this one)

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t20/t40
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t1718
UTG+1: t1440
MP1: t1500
MP2: t1732
MP3: t1320
Hero: t1455
Button: t1455
SB: t1380
BB: t1500

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t40 (pot was t60), MP1 folds, MP2 calls t40 (pot was t100), MP3 calls t40 (pot was t140), Hero calls t40 (pot was t180), Button folds, SB calls t20 (pot was t220), BB checks.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t240, 6 players)
SB bets t160, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t160 (pot was t400), MP2 calls t160 (pot was t560), MP3 calls t160 (pot was t720), Hero raises to t400, SB calls t240 (pot was t1280), UTG+1 calls t240 (pot was t1520), MP2 calls t240 (pot was t1760), MP3 calls t240 (pot was t2000).

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t2240, 5 players)
SB is all-in t940, UTG+1 raises all-in t1000, MP2 calls t1000 (pot was t4180), MP3 folds, Hero folds.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t5180, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t5060, Sidepot 1: t120)

Results:
Final pot: t5180

Hand 2: This one is really only interesting because of my chip stack compared to the rest of the players. My read on the big stack is that, when folded to him, he has limped from the SB to me for the last 10 orbits or so. Post flop, he plays passively, occasionally calling down and folding on the river. He has yet to show any aggression but he seems to be limping with everything. My guess is that I should have just called his riverbet, but you be the judge.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t100/t200
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t1496
Button: t2430
SB: t6181
Hero: t3393

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, SB calls t100 (pot was t300), Hero checks.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t400, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t400, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t400, 2 players)
SB bets t400, Hero raises to t1200, SB raises to t4200, Hero calls all-in t1993.
Uncalled bets: t1007 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: t6786

Heavens_Myst · #2 05-20-2007, 02:24 AM

hand 1, as played, fold flop, you have two pair in a multiway pot where everyone has called a 2/3 bet, you're most likely behind at this point. don't bleed chips here. higher 2pair, straight, set, and possible overpair which could counterfit twopair later in the hand. If you really thought you were good, just push

hand 2, hes probably got the flush but i go broke here.

Kevin8423 · #3 05-20-2007, 02:48 AM

Hand 1 I fold pf, but as played I probably just shove over. There is a ton of dead money and you really have no idea where you are. I like to avoid this type of spot by folding pf but once you get here I think its profitable to just get it in.

Hand 2 I probably just call his 400, but its probably fine to shove over it also.

BadBeatsCrewDerk · #4 05-20-2007, 02:53 AM

Hand 1, fold pre. If you're around on that flop, just go ahead and push. Maybe if it's monotone you can find a fold there, or if the action is a lot heavier in front of you. By the time it gets to you on the flop, you want the pot or you don't, so it's push or fold I think.

The second hand, sure it's ok to go broke. I'd just minraise the river though.

holdem17 · #5 05-20-2007, 03:26 AM

Hand 1: Fold preflop. As played I raising to 400 gives great odds to call for all of them. I think it would also be pretty hard for you to be winning this hand here also. Too many to see the flop and already call a bet on the flop.

Hand 2: Just call the 400. Not worth raising and having to call a re-raise and possibly bubble.

Jago · #6 05-20-2007, 03:31 AM

Hand 1: shove the flop

Hand 2: shove the river

Minraising is a poor play 99.9999999999% of the time

JadeRedstone · #7 05-20-2007, 10:58 AM

I used to be very tight S&G player and never played SC. But now that I play more cash games - why do we fold 79s in a family pot?

PantsOnFire · #8 05-20-2007, 04:09 PM

Hand 1 I either shove the flop or fold the flop. Calling or raising a little is pretty much spewing chips.

Hand 2, I just call the river bet. SB is unlikely to have a hand that will pay off a river raise. He is either bluffing, value betting a pair or has the flush. So basically, you will not get any more out of him.

SayGN · #9 05-20-2007, 04:52 PM

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Hand 2, I just call the river bet. SB is unlikely to have a hand that will pay off a river raise. He is either bluffing, value betting a pair or has the flush. So basically, you will not get any more out of him.

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I feel like the only reason I should not raise him on the river here is because I have noted him as loose/passive. He limped oop on me every opportunity he had in 10 orbits and I was fortunate enough to either hit the flop or push him off his hand each and every time (mainly because he folded 70% of the flops to any kind of bet). He could be holding any hand and could very easily have made a 2 pair or even 3 of a kind that would result in him paying me off big time on the river. I am not completely disagreeing with just calling his bet because I felt like he might have flushed, but I do believe there are alot of other holdings that he could have that I have beat and would result in him calling my raise.